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Old 04-21-2008, 12:07 PM   #15
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River Running

I used to run water in mine...
Got so tough to find places to fill up...with the drought and all.
Switched back to gas.
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Old 04-21-2008, 03:08 PM   #16
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Since these guys have repealed the second law of thermodynamics, it must be time to introduce a new generator. It uses an electric motor instead of the gas engine, powered of course by the output of the generator! Yee Ha!
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Old 04-21-2008, 11:13 PM   #17
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That would be the rightmost of the pedals you have available.
Right rudder?

Ok yeah I understand I can do all this but I want to buy an expensive box that will do it for me. That's the american way isn't it?
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Old 04-21-2008, 11:22 PM   #18
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It still comes down to, if you want to pull your train at a certain speed, you still have to throw a certain number of logs on the fire.

So much mass requires so much energy to move at any speed.

I wish it weren’t true either.

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Old 04-22-2008, 05:23 AM   #19
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I took our car which normally is good for 30-33 mpg highway, and drove it to the next state like I would ride a bicycle on a looong ride.
Just ride the bike!

I remember seeing JC Whitney catalogs back in the early '70s that had all kinds of gizmos that claimed to give 2-3 mpg better performance. You'd get 200mpg if you installed them all! In particular I remember the "water injector" whose ad said "Ever notice how well you car runs on a rainy day?"

I think I'll go out and gap my points.
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Old 04-22-2008, 06:47 AM   #20
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I remember seeing JC Whitney catalogs back in the early '70s that had all kinds of gizmos that claimed to give 2-3 mpg better performance. You'd get 200mpg if you installed them all! In particular I remember the "water injector" whose ad said "Ever notice how well you car runs on a rainy day?"
The only problem with installing all of them is you drive around the block and gas starts pouring out of your tank on the ground!
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Old 04-22-2008, 06:47 AM   #21
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From what I've seen of this stuff, it smells like what it is--something that comes out of the south end of a northbound bull...
It would be nice if I were wrong, but...
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:14 AM   #22
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I remember seeing JC Whitney catalogs back in the early '70s that had all kinds of gizmos that claimed to give 2-3 mpg better performance. You'd get 200mpg if you installed them all! In particular I remember the "water injector" whose ad said "Ever notice how well you car runs on a rainy day?"
From what I have heard there is some truth to the water injection idea, BUT, the system requires constant adjustment to the point it is impractical.

Maybe there is a techy way waiting to be discovereed that will improve the efficiency of a internal combustion engine that is cost effective and works, BUT, so far the only testimonials I have seen or heard are on the ads trying to sell them.
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Michelle wondered if 12 volts would split H2O without a transformer. My previous post certainly was intended to suggest that splitting water would actually use more TV or moho base fuel than was recoverable by injecting hydrogen thus gained back into the manifold. Although the A/C has the most noticeable impact, all electric accessories do affect mileage. But true, driving habits have the most significant effect.

Yet my father's son remembers his tales. Which takes me back to water injection increasing manifold pressures in WWII P-47 Thunderbolts for a brief extra jolt of power. Only try this on your brudder-in-law's truck...
Water-Meth Injection Q&A - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center

And from P-47 ace, Francis Gabreski, "The early P-47 - which was the basic airplane - had a very thin propeller, although it was a four-bladed propeller. It didn't have water injection. It didn't have all the niceties of the P-47D20 that came into the theater sometime in the latter part of, uh ... well, it was actually about March of 1944. So the improvement that we had (was) water injection, which gave you a power increase of from 52 inches of mercury to about 72 inches of mercury, which was a tremendous boost in power and performance. Then you had tremendous visibility with the teardrop canopy. You could cover your tail and look out freely without the crossbars kinda' restricting your vision. So I would say that the P-47I finally went down with on July 20, 1944, was one of the finest little airplanes that I have ever flown. It was more than a match for the Focke-Wulf 190. It was more than a match for the 109. I had absolutely no problem as long as I used water injection, and I used it quite frequently. We had water injection that would, with sustained power, keep us there for about three minutes up to five minutes, depending upon how you use it. But it gave us that tremendous edge that we needed against the German Luftwaffe."
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:58 AM   #24
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Ahhhhh scam? Yeah you can put hydrogen into engine but it is not made to run on raw hydrogen. Hydrocarbons yes. 12 Volts is not enough to seperate the Hydorgen from the Oxygen in water. I am still looking into how much it takes. I cannot remember from high school exactly but I know it involved a transformer....
I think the "transformer" you remember was probally a converter used to drop the voltage and also convert to DC. Takes DC currrent to produce H at one electrode and O2 at the other. Here is a link for a simple setup.

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This one doesn't produce O2 but does produce H and other byproducts. Uses salt water to reduce the required voltage.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:09 PM   #25
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A friend from Delaware (Florida snowbird) used this thing on his Chevy 1500 p/u,from De down here to Fl. He swears it increased his mpg from 15ish to 17.5 mpg. I have intended to try one of these deals,however haven't yet.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:56 PM   #26
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Big Bang

Probabaly a good thing hydrogen is tough to get out of water.
We would be overcome with explosions and imagine all that extra oxygen floating around...or would it be used up in the fire?

Dang...we could be our own Sun !
Its time we took the place back as the center of our Solar System
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We would be overcome with explosions and imagine all that extra oxygen floating around...or would it be used up in the fire?
Ever have a science teacher toss metallic sodium into a bucket of water? It's so reactive that it skitters around on the top of the water, splitting H2 from O with enough heat that all is consumed in sparks. Imagine a magnesium FeatherCraft burnin' it up down the lake!

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Dang...we could be our own Sun! Its time we took the place back as the center of our Solar System
We probably won't see the nostalgic days of $2.50/gallon gas again. At least let us do this Mr. Galilei!

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A friend from Delaware (Florida snowbird) used this thing on his Chevy 1500 p/u,from De down here to Fl. He swears it increased his mpg from 15ish to 17.5 mpg.
And does he swear that his average speed was no different? A/C use exactly the same? Ambient temperature? Vehicle weight? Drs. Pons & Fleischmann need work -- they could do this as a controlled study...
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Old 04-22-2008, 06:30 PM   #28
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Not that the TV show is any better source of info than the fellow hawking it in the campground, but Mythbusters did a show on several "mpg boosting" gizmos, the hydrogen generator, and several of the JC Whitney type products too. Their conclusion was what we all aready know. They don't work.

Kinda like the diet pills sold on TV. "The pills, when combined with a healthy diet and excercise, will make you loose weight." No kidding, eat right and stay off the couch, huh, whod a thunk it.
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