Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-09-2015, 06:49 AM   #71
Rivet Master
 
bkahler's Avatar

 
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond , Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by streamquest View Post
Brad and Steve, you two are a better source of info than the internet!!
Probably because we've spent way to many hours searching for parts! And in my case more time searching than actually working on it

Quote:
Thanks for the suggestions and sources. My 370 came with an aftermarket gauge attached below the dash to replace the apparently failed original (which was the 0-120 unit that Brad referenced that is evidently discontinued). Since this moho is largely unmolested from original, I'm trying to restore it back to stock wherever possible.
Are you 100% certain it's the gauge that is bad and not the sender? If I was a betting man I'd bet that the sender went bad and the PO just used a different gauge. Sometime in the near future I'll hook up my sender to see if I can determine what resistance values it uses. That should help ID what type of sender to look for.

Definitely don't throw away your old gauge until confirming it's actually bad.

Quote:
In the case of a 370 on the Gillig chassis, the suspension and parking brake are both dependent on air pressure. Was this "Air Suspension" gauge used on the much more widely produced 345's, 310's, etc.?? I don't recall seeing one on my 325 before rebuilding the dash several years ago. Just thinking about potential "gauge donors".
I know my old 84 310 didn't have a suspension pressure gauge. The one I have came off an 86 345. Possibly 86 and newer has the gauge you're looking for.

I'll post back when I finally determine what type of sending unit is needed.

Brad
__________________

__________________
Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels, brake drums, windows & holding tanks left to sell)
bkahler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2015, 01:28 AM   #72
Rivet Master
 
streamquest's Avatar

 
1936 20' Clipper
1947 22' Liner
Curtis Wright
1989 37' Airstream 370
marshfield , Massachusetts
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 729
Brad,

I've been digging through the Gillig chassis manual which provides a lot of detail regarding the air system (fittings, lines, etc.), but no mention of a gauge. Same with the Airstream manual. Go figure.
There's also a warning light on the dash that goes out when the air pressure is satisfactory to provide e-brake power when underway, or to release the parking brake (same) to get underway. So there is definitely something sending info from somewhere.
I'll get further into this when business settles down a bit. I want to have my head in a good place before opening up the dash.

Charly
__________________

__________________
streamquest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2015, 03:44 PM   #73
Rivet Master
 
Keyair's Avatar

 
1984 34.5' Airstream 345
Foothill Ranch , California
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,946
Images: 1
I wonder if this would work Charly.... Oil pressure gauge, so runs from a sender, and reads to 90psi....
I think I might grab one and try it as a Fuel pressure gauge...

Teleflex Oil Pressure Gauge 0 90 PSI Part 54658 | eBay


Added this to my gauge setup(temporarily installed).
Innovate Fuel/Air gauge.
__________________
Keyair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2015, 05:57 PM   #74
Rivet Master
 
bkahler's Avatar

 
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond , Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,367
The thing to watch for with any gauge is making sure you have the correct sending unit to work with it.

Just so happens I spent about an hour earlier today playing with a variety of the Teleflex gauges that I've been buying over the last few years. I've been lucky and managed to find the correct sending units for all of the temperature gauges I'm going to use (engine oil temp, engine coolant temp & transmission oil temp).

When it came to fuel gauges I was a little unsure until posts from other members indicated the stock fuel sending unit is 0-90 ohms. So today I decided to test the 4 different fuel gauges that I have. Three of them are regular fuel gauges and one was an LPG gauge.

The Teleflex gauge used in the 86 345 had a 150 ohm 1 or 2 watt resistor tied between the (I)gnition and (S)ending terminals. Using my new fuel tank sending unit I tested the 345 gauge and it was spot on. The LPG gauge also came with the resistor in place so I tested it and it was spot on indicating that it uses a 0-90 ohm sending unit.

I then tested the two fuel gauges that did not have a resistor installed and when the sending unit was on empty the gauge showed half full. When the sending unit was on full the gauge was pegged to the right. I then retested each gauge with the resistor installed and they were both spot on.

Oddly enough the oil pressure gauge from the 345 has the resistor as well so I tested it with the fuel tank sending unit and guess what, it was spot on with 0 ohms being 0 pressure and 90 ohms being 80 psi.

So the point of all this is if you don't have the right sender the gauge isn't going to work

As far as that 90 psi gauge I have no idea what sending unit would work with that gauge. 90 psi is sort of an odd ball number. I've seen Teleflex oil pressure gauges that are 0-100 psi but again I've not seen a sender for them.

Brad
__________________
Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels, brake drums, windows & holding tanks left to sell)
bkahler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2015, 11:36 AM   #75
Rivet Master
 
Keyair's Avatar

 
1984 34.5' Airstream 345
Foothill Ranch , California
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,946
Images: 1
Does this make any sense or help?

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/teleflex%20senders.pdf
__________________
Keyair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2015, 12:36 PM   #76
Rivet Master
 
bkahler's Avatar

 
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond , Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,367
I ran across that chart awhile back. Most of the senders don't seem to match up well with the gauges Airstream used. One thing of interest, the oil temperature and transmission temperature gauges we have are 160-320 but the closest one Teleflex lists is 140-320. The 140-320F HA157 SS White senders that I bought (I think Peter bought as well) seem to work fine with the 160-320 gauges. So most likely the 140-320 senders from Teleflex will work the the 160-320 gauges.

Notice they don't list a 0-90 psi oil pressure gauge either. Kinda makes you wonder just how many different types of gauges did Teleflex make and what were their applications!

Just the other day one of the gauges I bought had a Blue Bird bus ID tag on it.

It's all so confusing!
__________________
Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels, brake drums, windows & holding tanks left to sell)
bkahler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2015, 07:16 PM   #77
2 Rivet Member
 
Bethany533's Avatar
 
1983 30' Airstream 300
Covington , Louisiana
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler View Post
Charly,

I've been watching for Teleflex gauges on ebay for over two years and have not seen the air suspension gauge show up. However the one company that I know of that still deals in Teleflex gauges seems to list a price for one at $39.69 part number XLS50766-011. That doesn't mean it's available but it would be worth checking on.

Here's the page listing the Teleflex gauges.

And this is Custom Instrument Panels home page.

Hope this helps

Brad
Brad,
The speedometer on my '83 is kaput. Do you recommend sending it out for repair or calling Custom Instrument Panels for a replacement? Mine looks most like their XLS54500.

Thanks,
Ray J.
__________________
Bethany533 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2015, 07:28 PM   #78
Rivet Master
 
tjdonahoe's Avatar
 
2013 31' Classic
billings , Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,845
Want to spend money? Digital outside air temperature gauge, rear axle temperature gauge ,maybe an exhaust temperature gauge......
__________________
tjdonahoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2015, 07:44 PM   #79
Rivet Master
 
bkahler's Avatar

 
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond , Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,367
Ray, are you sure it's not the GM speedometer 53220?

54500 is an electronic speedometer which I would be surprised if yours was like that.

I may have the correct speedometer available. I'll check tomorrow morning.

Brad
__________________
Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels, brake drums, windows & holding tanks left to sell)
bkahler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2015, 08:15 PM   #80
2 Rivet Member
 
Bethany533's Avatar
 
1983 30' Airstream 300
Covington , Louisiana
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 54
It's cable driven, without tripometer.
__________________
Bethany533 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2015, 07:24 AM   #81
Rivet Master
 
bkahler's Avatar

 
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond , Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,367
Ray,

Here's an ebay auction for a Teleflex speedometer. I can't guarantee that it's the same as used in most of the Classics but it has the same part number as the one I pulled from the 345 that I dismantled.

I bought one just like it but since my Argosy is a long way from being on the road I have no idea if it will work correctly or not.

I have no idea why yours doesn't have a trip odometer, that seems pretty unusual to say the least.

Brad
__________________
Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels, brake drums, windows & holding tanks left to sell)
bkahler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2015, 07:35 AM   #82
Rivet Master
 
bkahler's Avatar

 
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond , Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjdonahoe View Post
Want to spend money? Digital outside air temperature gauge, rear axle temperature gauge ,maybe an exhaust temperature gauge......
I do like the idea of the rear axle (diff) temp and the exhaust temp gauges!

To bad Teleflex doesn't make them in the XL style.
__________________
Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels, brake drums, windows & holding tanks left to sell)
bkahler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2015, 11:42 AM   #83
Rivet Master
 
Keyair's Avatar

 
1984 34.5' Airstream 345
Foothill Ranch , California
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,946
Images: 1
I am still trying to figure out the air speed indicator... It would be interesting to know what the headwind is!

But I also like the idea of adding a tach, oil pressure, and temp gauge for the genset.
__________________
My name is Steve.... and I am an Alumaholic!
Working in my Garage is like playing TETRIS with Tools!
Keyair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2015, 02:13 PM   #84
2 Rivet Member
 
Bethany533's Avatar
 
1983 30' Airstream 300
Covington , Louisiana
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 54
Thanks Brad.
That one is close, but mine uses a clip to hold the drive cable on. If I can squeeze under the dash, I'll post a pic.
__________________

__________________
Bethany533 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Classic vs Classic limited Flying Gypsies 2006 - 2010 Classic (all lengths) 13 10-15-2011 07:37 PM
2003 Airstream Classic 30 Ft. EXCELLENT!!!! S2003 Airstream Classic 30 Ft. EXCELLENT! eBay Watch Airstreams on eBay 0 09-12-2011 10:50 AM
2011 Classic Limited 30 :: 2011 Airstream Classic Limited Wyndridge2 Airstream Registry Discussions 0 08-19-2011 09:32 AM
Classic -vs- Classic Limited 10Smiles Dollars & Cents 11 06-22-2011 09:33 PM
Classic Airstream Motor Home T-shirt and gift items maltnhops Classic Motorhomes 0 03-19-2011 12:10 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.