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Old 04-21-2008, 07:32 PM   #21
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The 460 is the better design of the two. GM, as always, had more money to keep their engine competitive but of these two the Ford was the best. Unfortunately, Ford never really gave it a great ignition or fuel delivery (until near the end). GM hobbled their motor with a poor camshaft . . . .

Etcetera, etcetera. It's a tossup, as, in truth, both engines were given just enough money to keep them going until a new generation of engines were developed.

Both are easily re-manufactured to a higher standard, with better flowing heads.
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Dont be mistaken, I dont believe there is a person that detest a Ford as much as I. And that is from the experience of owning four P.O.S Ford trucks. I have had the 300, the 302, and the big block 352, AKA 360.

There is not much I do not know about an older Ford truck, the days of the touted "Twin I-Beam", , Ford had the gall to promote this tire eating concept as the greatest thing ever on a truck, That is BS!

The reason I know so much about Fords is
BECAUSE I HAD TO FIX OR REPLACE EVERYTHING ON THEM!
Ok, I have to agree with you about the twin I beam front end. What a joke. I am convinced that somewhere at Ford was the original king pin milling machine that Henry used on the Model T, and they weren’t going to get rid of it till they wore it out.

However as a former engine rebuilder, the 352 and the 360 are different engines. As are the 351C, the 351W, and the 351M (Modified, parts of the C {Cleveland} and W {Windsor} combined in one engine). Ford has never been afraid to make more engines in essentially the same size.

Given all that, and my oath to never own another Ford product, especially a red one, as a result of a bad experience with a red ’66 Galaxy, I am now driving a red 2000 F150 that I bought new, couldn’t pass up the deal. The twin I beams are a thing of the past, the 4-speed auto is great, and the 5.4 SOHC engine are all great. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned. I will, now, consider another Ford.

Given all that, I have no experience with the 460, but I did own a ’73 GMC with a 454. I consider it an excellent engine. One of the best ever.
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However as a former engine rebuilder, the 352 and the 360 are different engines. As are the 351C, the 351W, and the 351M (Modified, parts of the C {Cleveland} and W {Windsor} combined in one engine). Ford has never been afraid to make more engines in essentially the same size.
Vaughan, the 351M was a 400 block, with 351W crank and cam, and longer pistons and rods. The bell housing mounting area on the 351M is the same as the 400, 370, 429 and 460 engines. The 351C and 351W engines both have the same bell housing mounting area as the 302 and 289. Ford created the 351M when the Windsor plant couldn't produce enough engines of that displacement.
The 360 and 361 were almost identical, one was an FE engine, the other was an FT engine.
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Vaughan, the 351M was a 400 block, with 351W crank and cam, and longer pistons and rods. The bell housing mounting area on the 351M is the same as the 400, 370, 429 and 460 engines. The 351C and 351W engines both have the same bell housing mounting area as the 302 and 289.
The 360 and 361 were almost identical, one was an FE engine, the other was an FT engine.
Right again, Terry. I forgot about the 361. You definitely know your Fords!

See, I said that Ford was not afraid to make a bunch of engines in essentially the same size.

International Harvester made a couple of stationary V8s that had identical displacements. Believe it or not, the main way they were differentiated was that one was painted red and the other was painted yellow. Just imagine the customers expression when asked, “What color is it?”
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