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Old 07-07-2005, 07:25 AM   #15
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Airstream offered the Gillig Chassis model for only one model yr, it did not sell very well, and was discontinued. It was known to have poor mileage ratings. The Chevrolet motor has been offered in various forms since the start and is still offered in the Land Yacht models. Not to say that the big Chev gets great mileage either, just somewhat better.

You will find that many, many Motorhomes of different brands used the P30 or similiar set up. Though there are a lot of Ford powered SOB rigs out there, it seems the Chevy is more sought after.
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As has been said above, it depended on the chassis used by Airstream. I had a 1996 Airstream Cutter with a 460 and sold it in 2003 with 118,000 miles and no problems. There were/are a bunch of chassis available on different coaches. Some brands even offered a choice of Ford or GM. I don't know about now, but the majority of chassis manufacturers like John Deere or Gillig used the 460. I had two GM pickups in the 80's with 454s and both were a disappointment. They used oil like there was no tomorrow, a reason I am told they came out with the Mark V version. They ran hot frying starters and exhaust manifolds. One dropped a valve at 29,000 miles with catastrophic consequences both to my wallet and the motor. One thing I liked about my '96 Airstream was that it used Ford's industrial version of the 460 with no catalytic converter and it had a 275 hp rating as opposed to the 245 hp rating in the light truck line.
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Old 07-07-2005, 02:24 PM   #17
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I had two GM pickups in the 80's with 454s and both were a disappointment. They used oil like there was no tomorrow
That's shocking to me....we had an '85 454 that had 165k on it...never burned a drop.
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Old 07-07-2005, 05:58 PM   #18
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it seems that is what the computer system "prequalifies" the credit cards at...that is fine...if you have a freakin' Honda or something
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Try filling up an 80 gallon motorhome tank on a $50 cutoff pump. It's bad enough that you're pouring close to 2 bills into the tank but to make me re-authorize three to four times is just plain mean.
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Old 07-07-2005, 07:53 PM   #19
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That's shocking to me....we had an '85 454 that had 165k on it...never burned a drop.
The local dealer, Vandergriff Chevrolet in Arlington, TX swore that 500 miles to the quart was normal for a big block engine. The 82 model used it at that rate, but the odd thing was it never showed a fouled plug or any smoke out of the exhaust. I never could figure out where it was going. I sold it in '84 with 90,000 miles and it was still using the same amount. I bought a Ford F350 with a 460 which ran great - until the sorry Holly carb. being prone as they are to fuel bowl leaks, caught fire and finished off the truck. So back to GM this time a GMC I went, and everything was fine, it's oil usage was about 1,200 miles/qt. Actually, even though it had the same gear ratio, it would outpull the '82 model. Then I dropped a valve while pulling Raton Pass crossing from Colorado into New Mexico with a Coachmen 5th wheel. So - the eighties weren't the best trucks I ever owned, not like the '90s. I've still got a '95 F350 with a 460 and it is pushing 300k on the original engine with only one tranny replacement - it's by far the longest lived of any vehicle I've owned, I'm hanging onto it to see just how far it will go. Lately it's been back to work pulling a 5th wheel full of cabinets from Dallas to Houston.
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Old 07-07-2005, 10:58 PM   #20
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The 460 is the better design of the two. GM, as always, had more money to keep their engine competitive but of these two the Ford was the best. Unfortunately, Ford never really gave it a great ignition or fuel delivery (until near the end). GM hobbled their motor with a poor camshaft . . . .

Etcetera, etcetera. It's a tossup, as, in truth, both engines were given just enough money to keep them going until a new generation of engines were developed.

Both are easily re-manufactured to a higher standard, with better flowing heads.
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Dont be mistaken, I dont believe there is a person that detest a Ford as much as I. And that is from the experience of owning four P.O.S Ford trucks. I have had the 300, the 302, and the big block 352, AKA 360.

There is not much I do not know about an older Ford truck, the days of the touted "Twin I-Beam", , Ford had the gall to promote this tire eating concept as the greatest thing ever on a truck, That is BS!

The reason I know so much about Fords is
BECAUSE I HAD TO FIX OR REPLACE EVERYTHING ON THEM!
Ok, I have to agree with you about the twin I beam front end. What a joke. I am convinced that somewhere at Ford was the original king pin milling machine that Henry used on the Model T, and they weren’t going to get rid of it till they wore it out.

However as a former engine rebuilder, the 352 and the 360 are different engines. As are the 351C, the 351W, and the 351M (Modified, parts of the C {Cleveland} and W {Windsor} combined in one engine). Ford has never been afraid to make more engines in essentially the same size.

Given all that, and my oath to never own another Ford product, especially a red one, as a result of a bad experience with a red ’66 Galaxy, I am now driving a red 2000 F150 that I bought new, couldn’t pass up the deal. The twin I beams are a thing of the past, the 4-speed auto is great, and the 5.4 SOHC engine are all great. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned. I will, now, consider another Ford.

Given all that, I have no experience with the 460, but I did own a ’73 GMC with a 454. I consider it an excellent engine. One of the best ever.
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However as a former engine rebuilder, the 352 and the 360 are different engines. As are the 351C, the 351W, and the 351M (Modified, parts of the C {Cleveland} and W {Windsor} combined in one engine). Ford has never been afraid to make more engines in essentially the same size.
Vaughan, the 351M was a 400 block, with 351W crank and cam, and longer pistons and rods. The bell housing mounting area on the 351M is the same as the 400, 370, 429 and 460 engines. The 351C and 351W engines both have the same bell housing mounting area as the 302 and 289. Ford created the 351M when the Windsor plant couldn't produce enough engines of that displacement.
The 360 and 361 were almost identical, one was an FE engine, the other was an FT engine.
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Vaughan, the 351M was a 400 block, with 351W crank and cam, and longer pistons and rods. The bell housing mounting area on the 351M is the same as the 400, 370, 429 and 460 engines. The 351C and 351W engines both have the same bell housing mounting area as the 302 and 289.
The 360 and 361 were almost identical, one was an FE engine, the other was an FT engine.
Right again, Terry. I forgot about the 361. You definitely know your Fords!

See, I said that Ford was not afraid to make a bunch of engines in essentially the same size.

International Harvester made a couple of stationary V8s that had identical displacements. Believe it or not, the main way they were differentiated was that one was painted red and the other was painted yellow. Just imagine the customers expression when asked, “What color is it?”
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