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Old 11-02-2015, 04:24 PM   #99
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On the Argosies and the early Classics with the vertical radiator I believe if you remove that front cross member you can drop the radiator out from below. The cross member is directly below the radiator and my first guess is it was placed in that location to protect the radiator.

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Old 11-02-2015, 07:09 PM   #100
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If I were doing that swap....

I would think about cutting that front crossmember at a point fairly close to the frame rail on each side, (but not too close) to make the cross member bolt in and bolt out.

By doing this and removing the bumper, the many ins and outs you are going to have to do will be much easier, and also, future possible repair issues will be easier. (In and out with the head on would be cool).

Of course I really don't know if that will work on that vehicle, but I would be thinking about making that move if at all possible.


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My plan was to cut out the front frame out, but after getting the 454 out, the cummins had no problem clearing that. The engine cradle area, that's the challenge.
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Old 11-02-2015, 07:23 PM   #101
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I took all the brackets off and tried again, but couldn't get the engine back to the motor mounts. Tranny's got to move back. Should have kept the transmission jack I borrowed when I JUST fix the hydraulic lift pump. And now someone else has borrowed it.
The waiting games regins.
Should have bought that one I saw on craigslist a couple years back.
Well I need to get on the internet and be lied to again anyway.
Got another mission trip coming up, so delay is welcome... right now. Four weeks and I want this on the road!
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:53 AM   #102
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...... and a vacuum pump, if you have the vacuum operated HVAC controls, which I think you would.

If the only vacuum requirement is HVAC, they make a nice little electric pump with reservoir.

You can put an air compressor on it...
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[QUOTE=Keyair;1705236]Mel,
For your reference, here is some pictures I got from Dave(WXBouy), of his Original 6BT installed in his 345. Hope this is OK to post Dave...

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Steve, Absolutely!

Mel,

Since I have the only one (that I know of) with an original cumin's 5.9 6BTA up front, I am more than happy to take what ever pictures or measurements you may want. The biggest issue I had was replacing the motor mounts since they were unknown to anyone that deals with the P-30/32 chassis. In the end we just ended up pressing new bushings in the old mounts.

Let me know what you need!
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Mel,
For your reference, here is some pictures I got from Dave(WXBouy), of his Original 6BT installed in his 345. Hope this is OK to post Dave...

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Mel,

Since I have the only one (that I know of) with an original cumin's 5.9 6BTA up front, I am more than happy to take what ever pictures or measurements you may want. The biggest issue I had was replacing the motor mounts since they were unknown to anyone that deals with the P-30/32 chassis. In the end we just ended up pressing new bushings in the old mounts.

Let me know what you need!
Thanks. As I work on getting the motor in, I know that the original air inlet is toast. It's got to turn forward because I'm planning to mount the intercooler on the top of the radiator frame. I saw a Case fork lift w/commins (4 cylinder) and ordered that inlet, but it's a 2 1/2" so I'm back to squire one on that.
You know want the p/n is on the engine air inlet of yours?
Waiting for transmission jack before continuing.
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:14 PM   #105
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If the only vacuum requirement is HVAC, they make a nice little electric pump with reservoir.

You can put an air compressor on it...
This baby has the vacuum pump behind he P/S pump. Wish it have the air pump that goes between the P/S pump and the vacuum pump, could get rid of the air pump in the back of the bedroom for the air ride.
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Old 11-03-2015, 10:18 PM   #106
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This baby has the vacuum pump behind he P/S pump. Wish it have the air pump that goes between the P/S pump and the vacuum pump, could get rid of the air pump in the back of the bedroom for the air ride.

That's what I was thinking. The common configuration is the air compressor with the hydraulic pump piggybacked on it. Loose the engine driven vacuum pump. It's sized for a brake booster.
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Cool Dave!
I think there is no better reference that your MH.
What Mel is doing is exactly what I hope to do... 6bt with a 4l80e. I think any info you have on your install would be helpful.
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For your reference, here is some pictures I got from Dave(WXBouy), of his Original 6BT installed in his 345. Hope this is OK to post Dave...

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Mel,

Since I have the only one (that I know of) with an original cumin's 5.9 6BTA up front, I am more than happy to take what ever pictures or measurements you may want. The biggest issue I had was replacing the motor mounts since they were unknown to anyone that deals with the P-30/32 chassis. In the end we just ended up pressing new bushings in the old mounts.

Let me know what you need!
Dave, did your's come from Airstream with the Cummins installed?
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Yup, Dave owns something rare and special...
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Got the transmission jack, dropped the drive shaft, moved the tranny back and got the block setting on the motor mounts, but can't get the bolt in. Looks like I will need to unbolt the bottom from the frame, get the mount bolts in then rebolt to the frame. It would be easier to do 15 years ago
No room to the A/C pump.
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Got to get a different mount for the A/C.
Figure out some way to work the engine stop lever, no room for original.
The front cross member, the one laying in the frame under he motor, is scrap now.
Just been sitting here staring at it for the last couple days as I hunt for information on the 'puter
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Just keep it going Mel.
Over did myself yesterday. Went parts shopping today. Cummins is dang proud of there parts!
Need to remember to make a list of all these p/n needed.
I got less then 4 weeks to get-r-done!
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