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Old 04-05-2018, 02:23 PM   #1
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Goodyear RV Tires

this may be old news...

https://jalopnik.com/goodyear-knew-o...-20-1824997252
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Old 04-06-2018, 08:37 AM   #2
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outrageous behavior for a company like Goodyear. I was somewhat considering that the new Endurance tire may be an alternative, but I do not really want to purchase products from a company that acts irresponsibly like this.

What are they hiding with the Goodyear Marathon tire failures?
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The article addresses the G159 tire used on RV Motorhomes specifically, not ST trailer tires. That tire has/had a max speed rating of 65 mph which I doubt many users knew or abided by when driving. As for the Marathon, Goodyear's ST trailer tire, it may or may not have the same issue, but is not mentioned in the litigation.

If you go by all the internet blogger experts, no manufacturer's trailer tire is immune from failure, but an import ST is especially risky. You might even conclude that any tire manufactured elsewhere in the world, not just China, is a recipe for certain death.
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The entire article is based on allegations made by a single attorney who has spent 14 years in litigation research on the issue. Obviously, the question of objectivity needs to be considered.

However, if these allegations are true, Goodyear seems to be criminally negligent.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the various regulatory agencies.
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Old 04-06-2018, 03:55 PM   #5
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Iíd hate to manufacture or sell anything to this litigious society. Any tire can fail due to conditions beyond the control of the manufacturer such as inflation, load, and road hazards. I find it hard to believe Goodyear would ignore and cover up a safety related problem with the design or manufacture of one of their tires or the NHTSA would allow them to continue producing it. Sounds like a bit of a witch hunt to me.

Iíve pounded 1000s of Goodyear tires into the pavement with a 183,000 lb aircraft at 150 mph. Never had one fail. Not saying we use G159s on aircraft but the company generally seems to make a good product.
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Old 04-06-2018, 05:10 PM   #6
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For Gods sake there are instructions on shampoo, do you REALLY think people will follow safety protocol w/ tires ?

I feel most blow outs are operator errors. Speed, overloaded, under-inflated etc. Per what the TIRE is speced for. IMO
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I'm with Kota on this one.

How many RV owners are negligent by not checking air pressure on a daily basis before setting off, and not just trusting TPMS? I do.

How many RV owners are negligent by not inspecting those same tires for worn tread, uneven tread wear and impalements at least once a week, if not more often? I do.

How many RV owners know the date code of their tires and replace them after 10 years? I know the date codes and am replacing all four rear tires this year, even though they have tons of treadlife left.

Tires can fail, but so can owners of those tires as well.

Unfortunately it's our failing of society, that we somehow find it easier to blame others for our failings.

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This Goodyear tire story is purely about litigation. One article I read said Goodyear hasn't made the G159 tires since 2003, so all should be off the road by now.
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I find it really interesting that the tire had a speed rating of 65 mph and the article states many mohos travel at speeds over 65 mph. People wonder why they have problems. Today most moho sized tires have a speed rating of 75 mph and it amazes me how many coaches blow by me way faster than 75 and usually towing a toad. The pick-ups pulling trailers at those speeds aren't much better.
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I think the 2 tire experts around here would point to user error, if they would touch this discussion.
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I think the 2 tire experts around here would point to user error, if they would touch this discussion.
Nope!!! (and I hope Roger is with me on this)

The fault lies with the RV manufacturer. The tires were designed for short haul delivery, not RV's. There's 2 ways this could have happened:

1) The RV manufacturer specified the tires when he ordered the bare chassis (unlikely!).

2) The RV manufacturer took whatever came on the chassis from the chassis manufacturer - and then didn't check to see if the tires were suitable for RV service (They weren't!)

I suppose NHTSA is looking back into the time frame (same timeframe as the Ford/Firestone thing) to see if they (NHTSA) missed something or did Goodyear violate the rules.

Ya' see, NHTSA didn't require the tire manufacturers to report warranty data to them (as an early warning) until 2008, with the data going back 5 years. That puts it in the same year the last tire was manufactured.

There was, however, a one time historical submission of data for all data available BEFORE 2003 manufacture date, and perhaps that is what NHTSA is looking into.

While there may have been problems with the tire, I see a HUGE!!! misapplication here.

Plus I also see a lot of plaintiff's lawyer's tactics to pollute the potential jury pool! From his perspective, this can only help him make more money.
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Old 04-07-2018, 06:53 AM   #12
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The number gators along the highway is an indication of how many tires fail. Much more common in hot weather. Many from trailers that arenít owned by the person towing them.

Estimates are that over 100 people are killed and 25,000 accidents are caused by tire debris (gators) on the road in the US and Canada.

According to a 2003 NHTSA report, an estimated 414 fatalities, 10,275 non-fatal injuries, and 78,392 crashes occurred annually due to flat tires or blowouts before tire pressure monitoring systems were installed in vehicles.

Just a little perspective on tire failures.
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Estimates are that over 100 people are killed and 25,000 accidents are caused by tire debris (gators) on the road in the US and Canada.

Just a short story regarding tire debris that happen to me and my family on 495 in Va a number of years back. Not only did it happen very quickly, it happen without any warning. Thanks to the grace of God none of us were injured.

We were driving on 495 and there was a barrier wall between us and the trucks and cars coming from the other direction. I was in the far left lane with my driver's side window down, my wife in the front passenger seat with my son who was probably 15 at the time. Suddenly I heard a bang and noticed that my rear window was blown out and the back of right side of the backseat was ripped. I pulled over and noticed that there was tire debris all over that side of the car. When the police came I tried to explained what happen. I said I honestly did not know but could only assume the tire debris was thrown up from a passing truck on the other side of the highway and came in my window which was down. His only comment was we were lucky done of us were hurt. No doubt the good Lord was on our side that day.
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I read those tires were rated for 55 mph, is that correct?
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I'm with Kota on this one.

How many RV owners are negligent by not checking air pressure on a daily basis before setting off, and not just trusting TPMS? I do.

How many RV owners are negligent by not inspecting those same tires for worn tread, uneven tread wear and impalements at least once a week, if not more often? I do.
That sounds good to blame the owners, but when a company has an extraordinary number of failures for a given time/miles then one must see if other factors are at play. John Q Public didn't suddenly start doing everything right when he switched to Michelins.

I had a set of Firestones on a car. Got them all at once. Within a month all four delaminated. Firestone could have said, "Gee, you didn't check the tire pressure every day."
When I switched away from Firestone, the problem went away.

Don't assume a "brand name" company wouldn't allow a dangerous item to be sold. Ford? GM? Monsanto? The list is endless. "Sir, it will cost $25 to fix per unit, and if we don't, it's estimated 12 people will die." "Hmmmmm, I'm thinking. Can we be liable?"
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Nope!!! (and I hope Roger is with me on this)

The fault lies with the RV manufacturer. The tires were designed for short haul delivery, not RV's. There's 2 ways this could have happened:

1) The RV manufacturer specified the tires when he ordered the bare chassis (unlikely!).

2) The RV manufacturer took whatever came on the chassis from the chassis manufacturer - and then didn't check to see if the tires were suitable for RV service (They weren't!)

I suppose NHTSA is looking back into the time frame (same timeframe as the Ford/Firestone thing) to see if they (NHTSA) missed something or did Goodyear violate the rules.

Ya' see, NHTSA didn't require the tire manufacturers to report warranty data to them (as an early warning) until 2008, with the data going back 5 years. That puts it in the same year the last tire was manufactured.

There was, however, a one time historical submission of data for all data available BEFORE 2003 manufacture date, and perhaps that is what NHTSA is looking into.

While there may have been problems with the tire, I see a HUGE!!! misapplication here.

Plus I also see a lot of plaintiff's lawyer's tactics to pollute the potential jury pool! From his perspective, this can only help him make more money.
Ya I tend to agree. If interested people might want to start THIS thread at post #43 where this topic has already been discussed.


IMO the biggest problem is the legal definition of what a "defective" product is. i.e. "one that fails at a high rate". I see no significant mention of failure due to improper use or poor maintenance or failure to follow guidelines or anything that requires the uese to demonstrate real responsibility for their actions.

IMO all the warnings on labels such as "Do not drink this poison as it could make you sick" are an attempt to defend a company from ambulance chasing lawyers. If the legal profession really wanted products to be safer they would be providing the evidence of the claimed defects so the product could be improved and made safer but I do not recall seeing much of that tactic. Defendants have been placed in the position of having to prove themselves innocent in court and many times juries see an injured person and a multi-million dollar company so decide it is easy to stick it to the company as this makes them feel better because they helped the person that chose to not pay attention to the guidelines.

OK getting off my soap box.
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What did Goodyear do, if anything when reports of those tires failing on motorhomes first started coming in?
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The number gators along the highway is an indication of how many tires fail. Much more common in hot weather. Many from trailers that arenít owned by the person towing them.

Estimates are that over 100 people are killed and 25,000 accidents are caused by tire debris (gators) on the road in the US and Canada.

According to a 2003 NHTSA report, an estimated 414 fatalities, 10,275 non-fatal injuries, and 78,392 crashes occurred annually due to flat tires or blowouts before tire pressure monitoring systems were installed in vehicles.

Just a little perspective on tire failures.
RE TPMS and responsibility.

If someone has a tire failure and the TPMS had been triggered (info is probably in the car black box) does that mean the owner will be held responsible for the consiquences of a tire failure? Probably not in America.
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The issue here is not one attorney, that tire has extremely high failure rates, well beyond the competition, internal documentation showed it was designed for low speed, someone decided to stick it on a motorhome, noone wanted to backtrack, and it escalated. All tires blow, but this tire specifically has a history of blowing because it's being used for something it's not rated for, and it sure looks like Goodyear has been trying to cover it up.
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