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Old 12-27-2015, 04:58 PM   #29
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Count me in , Frank. Been towing forever, always with the reefer going. Never give it a second thought.

However, since I tow with a half-ton, I am doomed anyway, as is the bus load of orphans and trial lawyers I take out with my runaway vehicle.

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Old 12-27-2015, 06:30 PM   #30
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Frank, sign me up for your club. I agree with you 100%. I also respect your position on this by saying that each of us can make our own decisions about this issue. What I have trouble with are those who say that people who don't do exactly as they do are somehow misinformed and even worse, putting everyone on the highways at risk. This attitude can be seen in hitch discussions, "how big is my truck" informational posts and of course, running with the fridge on.

I tow a trailer. I don't own or drive a motor home or a van. If I did I might have a different attitude. I am one of those who has asked for some proof that a running fridge caused a fire at a gas station. No one, to date, as provided me with any proof what so ever. That and the fact that the manufacturers have not posted any instructions and or warnings regarding the topic puts me at ease. Again, to each his own.

I am more worried about the risks of driving on the interstates, problems with tires, getting hit by lightning and having a stroke while behind the wheel. So far, so good.
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Old 12-27-2015, 06:49 PM   #31
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Getting gas without blowing up question.

Yeah, I would bet that smokers and fuzzy sweater static discharge are easier ways to ignite gasoline vapor while refueling.

I'll stick to situational awareness. I don't wear fuzzy sweaters, I don't smoke or allow smokers near me. The chance of me spraying fuel all over my AS near the fridge vent is vanishingly close to zero. Besides, it's way behind me.

I agree in a van or motor home it's a much bigger risk. I'm not driving a motor home. I'm careful, but not over the top obsessed with it.

Typically I refuel with family and dogs in the truck with all windows shut. It's not an issue to leave the fridge running 10-15 feet from the fuel fill, IMHO


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Old 12-27-2015, 06:51 PM   #32
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Getting gas without blowing up question.

We have so many knee jerk reactionary laws and rules because "something happened" once (or very rarely), (and the circumstances don't matter), that it is sickening.

Take as an example the laws in some states where it is illegal to fill a propane tank after dark.... Really?

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Old 12-27-2015, 08:43 PM   #33
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I take it you have never heard of Murphy's Law?
There is also: "GODDARD'S LAW OF POSSIBILITIES"
"IT HAPPENED, THEREFORE IT'S POSSIBLE!"
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:16 PM   #34
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Searching for another RV topic I stumbled onto something that said a lot of information related to RVs simply isn't tracked by anyone on purpose.
With that in mind, one could read the following report, but not have enough information to reach a conclusion.
http://www.nfpa.org/~/media/files/re...ions.pdf?la=en
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:45 AM   #35
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Thank you for the link, after 100 pages of Google, I am done with this whole topic. I simply do not care enough to read anything else, especially a government document. I doubt I will even discuss it when a client asks me about it...

Please, EVERYONE do not do anything you are uncomfortable with. It is very simple to turn off your propane. It is also very easy to just leave it on. Do what you feel is right.
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Old 12-29-2015, 06:02 AM   #36
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Please, EVERYONE do not do anything you are uncomfortable with. It is very simple to turn off your propane. It is also very easy to just leave it on. Do what you feel is right.
Well said, with the added footnote IMO that anyone who chooses -- to leave the propane appliances ON at a gas station -- is willing to live with the very low probability consequences of his or her own conscious choice. [a catastrophic fire]

Personally I turn them all off.


"Very Simple" being the operative words . . .
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Old 12-29-2015, 06:14 AM   #37
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I wish, I had the problem to even decide!

Mine keeps blowing out as I drive down the road ;-)

I know the old saying about someone else's problems, but in the case of this one, I wish I did.

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Old 12-29-2015, 08:20 AM   #38
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I wish, I had the problem to even decide!

Mine keeps blowing out as I drive down the road ;-)

I know the old saying about someone else's problems, but in the case of this one, I wish I did.

Enjoy,
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Blowing out when the trailer moves down the road, indicates a problem.

Could be that the burner orifice needs cleaning, which it does every 3 to 4 years, perhaps a low LPG pressure, or the metal shield for the burner/pilot light is missing.

What make and model reefer do you have ?? I will try to help you eliminate the blow out issue, which in itself should never happen.

Water heater blow outs, those with pilot lights, are also unnecessary, and can very easily be prevented, at a cost of less than 2 dollars.

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Old 12-29-2015, 08:24 AM   #39
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For much of my career time I was dual hatted as the safety officer. That included a lot of formal training seminars exploring the world of being "safe" - everything from vehicles to home and the work place (industrial, health care, office jobs, construction, etc.)
Safety officers (and OSHA etc) came into existence because many work places were terribly unsafe and people were dying as a result. So from accident investigation (seeing what NOT to do), safe practices like no smoking or open flames within a certain distance when transferring fuels were adopted.
Safety officers and that whole world tends to err on the side of, you guessed it, "safety". One of my favorite examples was wearing goggles, face shield, rubber gloves and apron when inspecting electrolyte batteries.
How many of us actually do that?
Similar to the grey area of turn off RV appliances when fueling.
Insurance companies hate to pay and their lawyers will side with safety reports and accepted safe practices when deciding to pay a claim.
I agree with Frank, do what you are comfortable with.
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Doing what you feel comfortable with when refueling is "some what OK".

Of course, be mindful of open flames and refueling, in terms of how close are those two.

Then, also be mindful of what may be parked next to you. If it's a travel trailer or a motorhome, then be aware of how close they may be to your fuel filling, as well as their filling near your sources of flame.

Being "cautiious" should always be practiced for safety reasons, anytime a person is close to something flameable. Unfortunately, many others are not, and they in turn, can cause a safety problem for you, because of their carelessness.

Safety, can never be used or practiced in excess.

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Old 12-29-2015, 11:43 AM   #41
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Andy,

I'm still living in the past with the old 1966 Dometic M52 and the Bowen water heater that came in the trailer new!

Some things (and people) you just can't change ;-)

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Old 12-29-2015, 01:28 PM   #42
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Andy,

I'm still living in the past with the old 1966 Dometic M52 and the Bowen water heater that came in the trailer new!

Some things (and people) you just can't change ;-)

Enjoy,
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Many Airstream owners prove that over and over, everyday. But, periodic servicing of most appliances, is not a necessary, but it's a MUST.

Some wait until things quit, instead of doing the routine. Perhaps that's how some lead their lives as well. That's why I think, all to many get the lid closed on the box, way before it should have been. Monitoring a person's body activities or lack thereof, is essential for a longer life. Same is true for most appliances, where-in they require periodic adjusting, fixing, cleaning, updating, or else. But once again, some choose the "or else".

Frank, I value your posts as I am sure you do a couple of mine. Please don't let the mud slingers kick you to the curb. You can choose to delete their posts if you so desire. That's very easy to do. You would never see them.

The stronger person always eventually wins out. Please hang in there, as many folks look forward to your posts, which are based on your service experience and using that thing between your ears.

We all make mistakes, but at least you and I have many years experience to back it up.

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