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Old 03-15-2006, 10:28 PM   #29
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Congratulations Lou on 1000 posts!!! We knew this was coming!!!!
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Old 03-15-2006, 10:34 PM   #30
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my take on it...

Being only an owner of a work order for a 19' Bambi (please f-fwd to April 15th!), I'm fresh from on-site research.

During my trips to the dealerships to have a look at Airstreams, there were some Airstream motorhomes on site that I had a chance to look at. My father is the proud owner of a Beaver motorcoach, friends of his own Monaco's (same company). From his perspective, the quality and overall appearance of an Airstream motorhome comparative to a same priced Beaver or Monaco, there really was no comparison. The Airstream did not have near the attraction to it.

Now, he's an owner, so let's take the bias (at least for the most part) out. I'm an Airstream work order owner and I had the exact same feeling. The Airstream motorhomes, comparably priced don't have near the attention to detail that you'd expect at that price range.

Part of Airstream's reasoning for getting out a busting at the seams industry like motorhomes probably is that their focus would always be split between the towables and the motorized. Companies like Monaco etc are full time and devoted to one section of the market. Airstream is probably just sticking to what they are known to be "best at", which is towables versus diluting both lines.

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Old 03-16-2006, 01:12 AM   #31
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Bradk's got the right idea.
A LARGE percentage of Airstream's staff is spent building Moho's that represent a very SMALL percentage of their production, and, undoubtedly, their profit. So how can you blame them?
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Old 03-16-2006, 02:46 AM   #32
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I think that if they had applied common sense to their marketing, the moho market was there. When they went overboard with the extravagant Skydeck they breached the market IMHO. Yes we all want Airstream quality in our RV's but who amongst us can afford a Skydeck? I think that if you are going to market a product, it needs to be within the reach of the average consumer. I see plenty of mohos on the road but they are the garden variety which are available to consumers who have that kind of money to invest. There is definitely a market for larger mohos but price does become an issue that the Airstream ledgend may not be able to compete in.
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as for the Base Camp

I predict that this will be met with almost as much enthusiasm as the new formula Coca Cola found. It just isn't the Airstream quality and longevity we have learned to expect. It's a half-breed.
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Old 03-16-2006, 06:07 AM   #34
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I predict that this will be met with almost as much enthusiasm as the new formula Coca Cola found. It just isn't the Airstream quality and longevity we have learned to expect. It's a half-breed.
Roger, It's not marketed or targeted toward "us", the current Airstream owner base. There is no expectation that anyone will leave the Airstream for a Basecamp. It's targeted at twenty-somethings who want something different or are buying their first trailer. It's a way to hook the next generation of Airstream owners on the Airstream marque... and not a very good one IMHO.

And, BTW, Airstream priced themselves out of the "average buyer's" market years ago. Thank God there are folks who are willing to trade in nice used units that we "average buyers" can afford!

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I have been in the new Base Camp and what really surprised me is that is is a toy carrier and not a camper. The design is to carry your ATV or Motorcycles to your friendly neighborhood campground and race around all weekend then drive them back into the Base Camp on the nice corrugated steel floor fold up the ramp and take off. Notice how it looks like a horse trailer? The beds are 50" long with a 5" foam mattress. No doubt they will sell but I sure hope I never see one when I am out camping. I would hate to hear what comes out of that back end. Further I do not thonk fuel costs were a consideration when designing this toy.
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:14 PM   #36
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The beds are 50" long with a 5" foam mattress.
50" beds, huh! That's pretty short. Is it marketed for the "Vertically Challenged" in PC terms?
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Old 03-16-2006, 06:08 PM   #37
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I find it puzzling the company would go off with another product when customers like myself wait 12 weeks for an ordered trailer. It seems to me that putting more energy into what is selling well would make more sence.
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I don't understand why the class A Motorhome lasted as long as it did. All we heard a few years ago were complaints about poor quality, breakdowns, multiple trips back to the factory, etc.

My son-in-laws parents bought one.

You only get one chance to screw up. Someone else, like Monaco, will eat your lunch.
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It's targeted at twenty-somethings who want something different or are buying their first trailer. It's a way to hook the next generation of Airstream owners on the Airstream marque... and not a very good one IMHO.
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Have you seen the price tag? If my kids can afford this, I'm cutting them out of my will.
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wow mike....

a 12 week wait.....that is too long

was that from the day you placed the order or when the dealer called it in?

my wait about this time last year.....was much shorter....and worth it to get a specific package.

2 weeks for production; 4 wks to get on the list....so about 6-7 total...and still it seemed long


and markdoane....

i agree it is a wonder they piddled on.....

at 1 a week for so long....with class a

my previous post about the basecamp (in this thread)..

earned me bloody red karma....i know not why.....so here i go....

another issue to keep in mind......on the basecamp (beside the 5th wheel)...

the basecamp was designed with/by the nissan studio in california...

is it possible a/s is starting to think globally about their market share....

the name is know world wide.....

and the silver places are worshiped abroad...

could we see a basecamp for the asian market....or from it?

it is interesting to read about the euro/airstream trailer....

i will love seeing one and wonder how the "origin" sticker will read...

if you've compared the current westfalia model with the interstate.....

the fit/finish and appliance content on the euro built uinit is so much nicer than the one done in jc.....

and with trim/appliances/bedding and finish screws.....

we cannot even get here......

hummmmm

and rog.......
ya know the target market...
is gonna pull these with honda pilots, nissan muranos, infinity whatevers, lexus thingies, mercedes m classes, vw touaregs, porsche cayennes...

and so on....

so a 25k trailer behind a 50-80k suv is about right, price wise....in the target market....

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Chaplain - "Horse trailer" is exactly what came to mind when I first saw a picture if the Basecamp. I showed the pic to my twentysomething daughter (who covets my Bambi), and asked her what she thought, and she said "Kinda reminds me of an Airstream, but it's no Airstream".

I couldn't have said it better.
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