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Old 09-07-2016, 02:24 PM   #15
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Forgot to mention. The 92 will also likely have the 4L80e overdrive transmission will will make difference in gas mileage and will lower the noise in the cab.
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Old 09-07-2016, 02:30 PM   #16
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I tend to agree with Brad on the fuel injected engine and extra gearing. I personally would probably go with the 92 300 if I had the choice.
A few things to consider:
The 310's have mostly plastic cabinets versus the heavier oak used in the 90's. The oak is prettier and easier to restore but also a lot heavier.
The clear coat on 90's Airstream was (and is) a big problem.
The quality of Airstreams in general was questionable in the 90's. Why would you need to cut a 3" hole in the floor for a 3/4" pipe (just as an example..)
Whichever one you pick, you still will have to replace all the fuel lines with 30R9 and rebuild your brakes, and and and before you venture on a big trip like that.
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If you are now considering a 310 you include the possibility of a diesel. Many consider the 310 diesel the best of the classic mohos. Also the Isuzu is an industrial/marine engine and probably more common in Central and South America then in the States.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:29 PM   #18
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From what Ive read, the Isuzu 6bd1 is a pretty common engine in Mexico. Used mainly in the trucking industry. But its really not of any concern because they NEVER break.......right? anybody.....right?

Ive grown to really like and feel quite fortunate to have the diesel in my 310, aaaaand of course paired with that bullet proof Allison AT545 4sp, well, need I say more........Tony?
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From what Ive read, the Isuzu 6bd1 is a pretty common engine in Mexico. Used mainly in the trucking industry. But its really not of any concern because they NEVER break.......right? anybody.....right?

Ive grown to really like and feel quite fortunate to have the diesel in my 310, aaaaand of course paired with that bullet proof Allison AT545 4sp, well, need I say more........Tony?
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Did I mention he's sneaky; sure, rub it in bro; Just curious though, how much to rebuild your uber Allison, at an Allison dealer, with all those blingy Allison parts, compared to my straight gear, robust, Allison hot rodded GM 475? I'd still take the Allison.

As for expert, please see Brad, Peter, Steve, Dan, Charly, Mike, Bob and Martin, long before you get to me.

As for breaking, Mike's right, these are 1/2 million mile engines as long as you take care of them, don't overheat them and make sure you put conditioner into the fuel at fill ups as the new low sulphur diesel doesn't have the lubricantcy the old engines need; but I bet she would run on any diesel sold in Central or South America.

As for gas or diesel in Central or South America; I would go diesel, as gas fuel quality in some countries maybe a little sketchy. Diesel tends to be a lot less expensive in the region.

Gas rigs do have a life expentacy of 60- 75,000 miles before something big goes, especially in a 345 or 350, so remember to price accordingly if someone is trying to sell you a 350 with "only" 70,000 miles; you could be looking at a powertrain replacement.

84 310 versus 92 300; Well the chance of buying a 92 diesel is about zero, unless someone did a conversion. The chance at buying a 310 with a Cummins 6BT is a bit better at about 2%. The chances of buying a 310 Isuzu powered rig is pretty good, but be prepared to cough up.

As for old versus new, Peter pretty well went over the differences. I prefer my very light aluminum paper core interior gables with the tambour upper cabinets. These rigs are heavy enough, the lighter the rig is, the more your load capacity is.

As for your safety in the areas you plan on travelling???? You might want to upgrade your life insurance.

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The Allison is a good trans no doubt but I really don't recall many problems with TH400/475 on this site. Many discussions about changing to a 4L80E to gain an overdrive or electronic control to mate with injection modification on a 454 but other then that the old TH400/475 is a pretty tough and dependable trans.

Also as Tony said, diesel south of the border is very easy to get.
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.. And how would you choose over a 454 engine with
110,000 miles vs one with 35,000 miles?

The engine with less miles is from 87 and the other from 92.
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Did you ever travel in central- and South America?
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Did you ever travel in central- and South America?
Two combat tours in Belize (Guatemala) at the behest of her Majesty's Royal Marines. I can't say I did a lot of driving around, but more yomping through jungle and getting excrement thrown at me from Howler monkeys.

I did watch Top Gear Patagonia trip, which only cemented the fact that Argentina was most likely off my trip planner, ( Falklands April-Sept 82). Based on that show I wouldn't take a 350 through Bolivia as the mountain passes are bloody scary.

Whatever you buy, remember, shiny things attract attention, so if you can keep the exterior non-descript. You want to look local as much as you can.

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.. And how would you choose over a 454 engine with
110,000 miles vs one with 35,000 miles?

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compression test?
Like other said before, a well used and maintained engine may be a better choice, but you have to expect other components showing a lot of wear.
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Wow ! .....what a great topic. Just remember, as we all know owning and driving an Airstream motor home is definitely unique. As far as maintenance goes we can figure about 6 hours of maintenance to every hour of driving ??? If you are willing to do the work yourself...call it a hobby ??? sickness??? great, but if you are going to pay someone to do it for you then I can most certainly tell you that you will indeed be on the side of the road waiting for help. You need to understand how all the operating systems on these 30 year old systems work. I call it nuts and bolts...I like the "fun" of looking up obsolete parts and getting nowhere on almost a daily basis. In my opinion I would go for the tag axle, but it is a personal decision.... I think they handle better on the highway....less sway, better braking, assuming the tag axle brakes are working and the extra room is great. The 325LE that I own and rebuilt is nice but the 370LE that I am currently working on is the cream of the crop for me and is proving to use all of my skill and all of my business associates knowledge to try and nail down replacement parts. One of the most difficult things I am going through right now is trying to find parts that the previous owner threw away because they went bad, IE microwave with factory brackets and mounting plates, air conditioner compressor and mounting brackets that hold it to the engine, receiver dryer etc. Regards, Bob
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One of the most difficult things I am going through right now is trying to find parts that the previous owner threw away because they went bad, IE microwave with factory brackets and mounting plates, air conditioner compressor and mounting brackets that hold it to the engine, receiver dryer etc. Regards, Bob
I'm thinking you're more of a hunter, than a killer kinda guy Bob. The thrill of the chase.

John's 325 TD suffered from this form of PO care. His PO was a pilot with meticulous log books, but anytime he took his moho in for something to be fixed, something inevitably ended up in the garbage. The generator doesn't work! Toss it out! Leveller control panel doesn't work! Toss that too. It's not cheap to buy a new HWH control panel when 9 times out of 10 the old one was just fine, if it had been cleaned up.

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Is it nuts?

So... if 1 hour drive is equal to 6 hours maintenance this is certainly not going to work. Can this really be true? I see and hear about lots of people driving around the world in all kinds of cars/vans/rv's etc. and I am guessing that they have breakdowns of course, but not in a ratio 1:6.

Our trip is 30,000 miles. At an average of 50 miles per hour through Central- and South America that would give us about a 600 drive hours. I am for sure not ready to put in 3600 hours of maintenance.

Im not so sure that I understand what it is, that will go bad all the time. If its engine stuff, I should just get a brand new engine? Or is it other stuff? Are these Airstreams really that badly build?

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... Are these Airstreams really that badly build?

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No, they are just old, out dated technology with hardened rubber, cracking plastic, rusting metal, fuel hogging shiny cool looking fire/accident traps.
Would I take a vehicle like that on an extended trip to Central/south America. NO WAY!! And not just for the reasons above, but mainly for not wanting to attract attention.
I think Bobs comment was to illustrate the kind of commitment needed to own a rare bird like a Classic Airstream Motorhome.
A mid 2000 class C would serve you much better for the same price IMHO
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