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Old 03-20-2011, 12:04 PM   #15
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Gov. Dodge State Park

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Glad to hear you got her home in good shape. Keep us posted on your progress.

I don't know what part of the state you are in, but I'd recommend Gov. Dodge State park near Dodgeville as a great place for a family outing.

Enjoy the journey...

We stayed there this summer for a few days.. very nice park and we managed to get in some Geocashing!

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Old 03-20-2011, 08:51 PM   #16
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We stayed there this summer for a few days.. very nice park and we managed to get in some Geocashing!

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Jane, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's large enough I'll bet you had fun Geocashing. We live about fifteen miles from there and usually make it for at least one long weekend each summer. Only missed once or twice in the last 30+ years.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:29 PM   #17
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Congrats funhouse on the safe return home.
I am in a similar situation and need some advise. I'm about to pull a 70-71 overlander international about 30 miles down a canyon (an 8% grade I think) and then back up. I have an '08 tacoma double cab with the factory tow package which has a 6500 lbs tow rating. Would you recommend towing it without the electric brakes?
Here's the situation: The trailer has been sitting 4-5 years up in the mountains. Kids broke all the windows out and the door was tossed a few years ago so its been victim to rain, a little snow, and some forrest animals/insects. The floors are shot (I put my foot through the floor in the "kitchen" walking to the back). The inside is a wreck but the body is in good shape. I have replaced all four tires and installed the temp. brake/turn signal lights. So far I have towed it up the one lane dirt road to turn it around and it felt ok but I am worried about towing it down the canyon without trailer brakes. Is it possible for the trailer to push me off the road? I would have to keep the speed to a crawl I'm sure. Thanks for any advise?
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:22 PM   #18
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Moving a trailer that sat for 30 years..

Greetings tahoe_air!

Welcome to the Forums and the world of Vintage Airstream ownership!

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I'm about to pull a 70-71 overlander international about 30 miles down a canyon (an 8% grade I think) and then back up. I have an '08 tacoma double cab with the factory tow package which has a 6500 lbs tow rating. Would you recommend towing it without the electric brakes?
Here's the situation: The trailer has been sitting 4-5 years up in the mountains. Kids broke all the windows out and the door was tossed a few years ago so its been victim to rain, a little snow, and some forrest animals/insects. The floors are shot (I put my foot through the floor in the "kitchen" walking to the back). The inside is a wreck but the body is in good shape. I have replaced all four tires and installed the temp. brake/turn signal lights. So far I have towed it up the one lane dirt road to turn it around and it felt ok but I am worried about towing it down the canyon without trailer brakes. Is it possible for the trailer to push me off the road? I would have to keep the speed to a crawl I'm sure. Thanks for any advise?
The issue that would worry me is that I suspect that the coach likely weighs close to or possibly slightly more than your tow vehicle. According to the Airstream corporate site the following were the base dry weights for your 1970 Overlander:
  • Deluxe Land Yacht -- Twin Bed Model
    • 4,515 pounds dry weight
    • 450 pounds dry hitch weight
  • Deluxe Land Yacht -- Double Bed Model
    • 4,565 pounds dry weight
    • 460 pounds dry hitch weight
  • International Land Yacht -- Twin Bed Model
    • 4,525 pounds dry weight
    • 455 pounds dry hitch weight
  • International Land Yacht -- Double Bed Model
    • 4,575 pounds dry weight
    • 465 pounds dry hitch weight
Something that would also concern me about towing a coach that has sat for more than a season or two would be the wheel bearings. Particularly on mountain grades, I would want to know that the bearings had been inspected and re-packed if replacement weren't indicated by inspection.

My suggestion would be to service the wheel bearings and determine the condition of the brakes. It may not take too much to get the brakes operational, and it would certainly make for greater peace of mind as you approach towing on those mountain grades.

Good luck with your project!

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Old 11-02-2011, 02:27 PM   #19
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How long is the trailer and how much does it weigh? You might be better off renting a flat bed trailer and rolling it up on there and take it home that way.

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Old 11-03-2011, 12:23 PM   #20
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My truck's gvwr is about 5500 lbs which is pretty close to the trailer. The trailer is 27'. I puled a 22 footer, with a comparable weight, a couple weeks ago with out the electric brake controller hooked up (I don't have one installed yet but it would be easy enough to) and it wasn't too bad. Stopping quickly was definitely not an option. I will have to read up on the electrical braking system. Maybe this is a newb question, but how can you tell if the brakes are working? I guess I will just know by the trailer's reactions. I'm afraid the rodents may have nibbled the wires. Guess it doesn't hurt to try though. I've never used electric brakes but I'm sure they will be useful. Another newb question- doesn't the grease need repacking due to use(rolling)? Can it go bad just sitting?
Perry- where would one rent one of those? I guess I can Google it.
Thanks for the responses!
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Regarding the grease in the wheel bearings... it's not safe to assume the bearings were in good shape and well-packed when the trailer was parked. If moisture has found its way to the bearings over time they could be in bad shape. Ideally, they were clean and well-packed with grease when the trailer was parked there, but if not it would be much better to find that out while the trailer is sitting there than at an inconvenient time while towing it away.
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Old 11-03-2011, 12:56 PM   #22
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Moving a trailer that sat for 30 years..

Greetings tahoe_air!

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My truck's gvwr is about 5500 lbs which is pretty close to the trailer. The trailer is 27'. I puled a 22 footer, with a comparable weight, a couple weeks ago with out the electric brake controller hooked up (I don't have one installed yet but it would be easy enough to) and it wasn't too bad. Stopping quickly was definitely not an option.
You will likely have between 20% and 30% more weight following you with the Overlander so stopping will be even more problematic without brakes. There will also be a proportionately higher probability of overheating the tow vehicle brakes on steep down-grades without functional trailer brakes on the 27' coach.

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I will have to read up on the electrical braking system. Maybe this is a newb question, but how can you tell if the brakes are working?
Today's trailer brake controllers have a variety of methods to monitor trailer brake operation. Most of the modern controllers are "pendulum" types that have a device that senses deceleration and increases the intensity with which the trailer brakes are applied. The controller box itself has two adjustments . . . one for gain . . . and one for level adjustment. When properly adjusted, the trailer brakes apply slightly before (lead) the tow vehicle (almost as soon as you touch the tow vehicle brake pedal). There is a manual lever on most trailer brake controllers that allows you to the apply just the trailer brakes, and many utilize this as they depart a parking spot to verify that the trailer brakes are functioning. Tekonsha controllers tend to be among the more popular controllers with a number of Forum members drawn to the Prodigy or P3 controllers . . . my favorite is the Hayes-Lemmerz electronic controller with the remote manual trailer brake control option.

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Another newb question- doesn't the grease need repacking due to use(rolling)? Can it go bad just sitting?
The grease doesn't necessarily go bad, but it has been exposed to unknown years of exposure to the elements since it was last changed. Moisture contamination may have begun . . . or it may have a firm hold with attendant corossion. Servicing the wheel bearings serves a two-fold purpose . . . insuring that the bearings are sound and adequately lubricated . . . and provides you with the opportunity to inspect the brakes and make any adjustments necessary to insure good brake operation.

Good luck with your project!

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Old 11-05-2011, 12:58 AM   #23
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Thanks everyone for your insight. I am trying to get the trailer out of the mountains before it snows and feel a bit rushed. It takes me an hour to get to the trailer and its on the side of a dirt road. Is it possible to just pop the dust cap off and be able to tell if there is enough grease? I watched a few of the videos on packing the bearings and it looks like it is pretty straight forward. I agree that it would be better to take care of it before I hit the road but my circumstances aren't the best. At best I can pull the bearings out, repack the one "loose" bearing, throw some extra grease on the other one and go from there.
Oh, and by the way, I think its a '69 instead of a '70. Found the "vin number?" next to the door. Says 127D9-S565 3905. From what I've read the "1" is really an "I" which makes sense since its an overlander international land yacht.
I have to make my voyage tomorrow regardless so wish me luck!! Cheers.
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I think you have a pretty good chance. Just take it easy and leave plenty of room in case you need to stop or slow. The less you have to brake the better. It wouldn't hurt to have some weight in the truck to help balance the load and you might want to check the trailer lug nuts to make sure they're tight. Slow and steady wins the race. Good luck.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:23 AM   #25
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So... update. Made it home no problem. Took the back roads and avoided the freeway. Slow and steady was the way to go. The steep grades and twisty roads were easy doing 25 and in 3rd gear. I could definitely feel the weight going back up the other side of the divide. Just as I was getting back home, the clouds opened up. Made it just in time to cover it with tarps (all the windows are broken out). Now to be inspired and name it (her?). Thanks again to all of you and the words of wisdom. Now it can snow all she wants. Cheers.
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