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Old 03-29-2004, 05:50 PM   #15
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I was under my trailer a coupla weeks ago adjusting the brakes and I noticed the belly pan has a wrinkle on one side near the drivers side rear wheel actually. As far as I know no one has ever jacked it up -- pardon the expression.
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:54 PM   #16
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If it is indeed true that Airstream trailers should never be lifted via jacks under the frame, I already have some ammo to use in my complaint with the RV guy, since they admitted to doing just that.
I have emailed Airstream tech support to inquire about proper "jacking" technique, hoping to get some advice "straight from the horse's mouth".
The RV folks involved are a Fleetwood dealer but are listed in my '71 owner's manual as an Authorized Airstream service center.
If anyone has further info or suggestions, please submit. I'm really upset about this. I was going to start stripping, priming and painting the tongue and bumper today but I'm putting all on hold until this issue is resolved.
I can only imagine that a frame shop would charge a king's ransom to straighten the frame, if that's even possible.

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Old 03-30-2004, 08:36 AM   #17
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Rog:

Did they have to move the coach at all once you brought it there?

I hae to agree with one of the previous posters, The damage apears to me to be from severly dragging the rear of the coach while it was being turned.

In that last picture it apears that the bumper is high on the curb side but that could be a trick of the angle.
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Old 03-30-2004, 09:27 AM   #18
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Toaster, I had to leave the coach with them for 2 days because they were very busy. It appeared to be in the same spot on their parking lot where I left it when I picked it up. If they did all of the work outside (a question I will ask), a gust of wind could have blown it off the jacks.
There are no scratches on the underside of the bumper which would be evidence of dragging.
The bumper is level on both ends, the angle of the photos is deceptive.

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Old 03-30-2004, 09:47 AM   #19
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P.s.

I did a quick walk around of the trailer before I left the RV yard. If the belly pan had been hanging as it is now, I would have noticed that. That obviously occured because of the frame damage and the vibration during the return trip.

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Old 03-30-2004, 10:02 AM   #20
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If it is indeed true that Airstream trailers should never be lifted via jacks under the frame, I already have some ammo to use in my complaint with the RV guy, since they admitted to doing just that.

before I had my trailer jacked to install the Centramatic balancers on the hubs, I emailed Jim Parrett at Airstream with the question whether to jack on the axle mounting plate or the marked spot on the frame rails.

His answer was to use the spot on the frame rails and he attached several photos of a trailer in the Airstream shop jacked up by the spots on the frame rails. he said that you can use the axle mounting plate, but if there is more chance of doing damage if it is not jacked exactly right.

I figured that the factory knows best, so I had the tire shop jack mine at the spots on the frame rails and all went well.

Several weeks ago, I pulled my trailer off the pavement and on to some grass that I didn't know had been undermined by running water. The wheels dropped and the rear of the trailer came crashing down on the pavement; the rear extension of the frame that mounts my bumper is bent in exactly the same way that it is in the photos. Unfortunately, the upward impact also dented the lower corner panel of my trailer slightly.
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Old 03-30-2004, 10:29 AM   #21
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John,

Anyway you could post the photos so that we all could see the jacking place(s) you are talking about?

BTW, the damage didn't happen with your new Classic did it?

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Old 03-30-2004, 10:32 AM   #22
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Before I had my trailer jacked to install the Centramatic balancers on the hubs, I emailed Jim Parrett at Airstream with the question whether to jack on the axle mounting plate or the marked spot on the frame rails.

His answer was to use the spot on the frame rails and he attached several photos of a trailer in the Airstream shop jacked up by the spots on the frame rails. he said that you can use the axle mounting plate, but if there is more chance of doing damage if it is not jacked exactly right.
I also would tend to do as the factory does. But, a while back I posted a question about jacking as my owner's manual only talks about the ease of backing the trailer up an inclined, six inch block. Sure, if you only need one wheel off, but I needed all four off for new rubber when I was prepping the Overlander to get it out of the PO's driveway.

One responder indicated his (later model) jack point plates were even labeled "jack". Then another person warned of impending doom by placing anything more than a stabilizing jack there while camping. It seemed to me that Airstream would have put similar plates in a more forward location if that was the intended funtion. I believe the thread stopped after Andy@Inland advised the six inch lift idea.

Pahaska - First, sorry to hear about your soft ground damage. I would have been beside myself with fury as I am sure you were. Second, does your owners manual say anything about raising the wheels?

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Old 03-30-2004, 10:46 AM   #23
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One responder indicated his (later model) jack point plates were even labeled "jack". Then another person warned of impending doom by placing anything more than a stabilizing jack there while camping. It seemed to me that Airstream would have put similar plates in a more forward location if that was the intended funtion. I believe the thread stopped after Andy@Inland advised the six inch lift idea.

Pahaska - First, sorry to hear about your soft ground damage. I would have been beside myself with fury as I am sure you were. Second, does your owners manual say anything about raising the wheels?

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More sad than fury. I did it to myself and could have avoided it with a little thought. Yes, it is on my Classic.

My owner's manual is in the trailer in the storage yard, so I'm not sure what it says on jacking. I had contacted Jim Parrett at the factory because InlandAndy keeps saying to jack at the axle plate. I figured that whatever the factory does is best.

My jack points are clearly labelled on the belly pan and the locations are indicated by a aluminum plate about 2 1/2" square on the belly pan attached at the jack point by a pop rivet. The two sides are not symmetrical ... the jack point on one side is a bit further back than on the other side.

Silvertwinkie, you can just look on the belly pan aft of the axles and easily see the jack points.
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Wow, John... sorry to hear about the mishap...

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Cool Sorry to hear

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Sorry to hear of the damage to your Classic
I'll say this..Your bright, witty commentaries have been missed in your absences~

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Old 03-30-2004, 11:31 AM   #26
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Pahaska, I feel your pain

My coach is much older than yours but in very good condition other than this new damage.
Have you had a chance to get any estimates on the cost of repair? I am particularly interested in the cost of straightening the frame member. Replacing the belly pan panel is something I can do on my own, if it comes to that.
Thanks for sharing.

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My coach is much older than yours but in very good condition other than this new damage.
Have you had a chance to get any estimates on the cost of repair? I am particularly interested in the cost of straightening the frame member. Replacing the belly pan panel is something I can do on my own, if it comes to that.
Thanks for sharing.

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The dent isn't terribly bad and I'm undecided about having it repaired. I'm afraid all the tearing off of molding, etc. may be worse in the long run than just living with the dent.

I may try to hang the end of the trailer out over a ledge so that I can get a long lever on the frame part that is bent crooked. I think that with some leverage, I can pull it down vertical again.

There is a horizontal crease at the very bottom of the panel because of the upward impact and the area above the crease is gently dented in witthout any creasing. We're going to try using a suction cup to see if the gentle dent can be minimized a bit by pulling it out. If so, it will probably stay that way forever.
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Old 03-30-2004, 12:29 PM   #28
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I may try to hang the end of the trailer out over a ledge so that I can get a long lever on the frame part that is bent crooked. I think that with some leverage, I can pull it down vertical again.
That sounds like a good plan. It would probably help if you heated the frame. Thanks for the idea.
I'm hanging onto the unlikely hope that the RV rep will admit to liability and am just in a holding pattern right now.

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