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Old 11-05-2006, 11:20 PM   #15
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hi moe and others...

my guess is franzb realizes the titan issues, which for those at home playing along, are:

curb wt....5200lbs approx
gvwr....... 6500lbs approx
gcwr.......14,500lbs approx.

classic he'd like to buy 6100lbs empty at the minimum...and 7600lbs gwr.


so the payload for the titan is only 13-1400lbs....
thats people, gear, hitch, and the trailer tongue....

if the tongue weight is 800-900lbs as a/s estimates,
that only leaves 5-600lbs for other stuff like people, options, hitch IN the truck...

so that's why i suggested packing the trailer to reduce tongue mass to 10% of the total...

now on the gcwr side which really is the limiting number....
the empty trailer+empty truck=11,300lbs without options on either.
more likely the truck/trailer/hitch/sparetire/lpgas combo with be 12,000+.
add water and a little waste...12,500lbs

so he's looking at 2000lbs carrying for EVERYTHING in the trailer and truck and peoples stomachs, and toys and so on...

and that's too travel AT the max/limit for the truck...and in COLORADO.

as canoe stream has suggested it can be done but leave lots of stuff home and don't expect a great towing experience...

he needs a bigger truck or a lighter trailer...

there is a pretty active forum for titan owners and lots of 'creative' towing experiences...

keep us updated franzb
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Old 11-05-2006, 11:33 PM   #16
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Maurice -- exactly!

2air' -- I agree that Franz should buy the trailer he likes. That love affair will last longer than the tow vehicle of the moment.

Curious -- Airstream lists hitch weights w/o options that are only 10# apart for the Safari 25 & Classic 25; I suspect the Safari LS option spare tire will make them essentially identical on hitch weight. Plus propane pushes hitch weight to 940#. Plus WD/antisway gear adds to this and TV rear axle loading at the hitch will be around 1000#.

And that is where the Titan has very little margin left. Lower trim levels and 2WD don't figure into this equation for Franz. From specs for the LE, the extended (or King) cab has a payload of 1386#, thus approximately 386# of driver + passenger(s) allowed and nothing in the box. The club cab has a payload of 1198#, thus approximately 198# for humans.

I drove and pulled with a Titan for 2 years and am very impressed with the powerplant. It felt right and the numbers were fair -- for my 4000# Argosy. My Titan had no tonneau cover or truck cap -- I pulled my Safari in Fall '05 with the truck virtually empty to stay within weight. I was happy to let it go when a buyer came out of the blue last winter. When it comes to panic stops and emergency maneuvers, how much over TV payload capacity can one be? 250 pounds? 500 pounds? Oh my... It just makes for more sense and safety to operate a TV-trailer combination that is something under specs (15% has been mentioned).

My take on this situation is that a Titan could get either trailer home. The prospect of towing with a virtually empty pickup should get Franz to thinking about plans for a more suitable TV in the future.
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Old 11-05-2006, 11:40 PM   #17
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Hi, and for all that 2air just said, lighter trailer or larger tow vehicle. Explains, why I said, one reason I went for the 1000 lb lighter Safari. My Safari is 6,300 lb GVW versus 7,300 lb GVW of the Classic. My book list the Safari tongue weight at 680 lbs and the Classic tongue weight at 760 lbs for 2005.


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Old 11-05-2006, 11:44 PM   #18
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CanoeStream, I have to say, whether I always agree with you or not, (I usually/almost always do) your responses are always well thought out and often you come at it from a different angle than I do. I always respect your opinions, keep it up.
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Dave -- I'm just glad to see Maurice posting in this thread. I consumed so much that he and other veterans were posting when I joined ASForums three years ago.

Franz accurately reported specs back in post 1 on this thread. Airstream's website lists 860# "hitch weight w/o options or variable weight" for the standard 25' Safari (vs. only 750# for the six sleeper). The number is 870# for the 25' Classic.
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Hi, are the trailers still getting heavier? My 2005 Airstream book states: 680#s for 25' Safari and 760#s for 25' Classic. I just checked the Airstream site and it lists: 720#s for 25' Safari SS, 750#s for 25' Safari FB, and 870#s for 25' Classic.

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I agree that Franz should buy the trailer he likes. That love affair will last longer than the tow vehicle of the moment.
I agree with buying the Classic for the long haul also. While the 1,000 pound difference and 100-120 pounds of extra tongue weight after loading make a difference on paper, it won't be much in the real world. If FranzB isn't happy with the test tow of the Classic, it's not likely the Safari would make him any happier.

I think the traditional 25' floorplan is the best one Airstream's ever built, and do prefer the Classic version of it.
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I just checked the Airstream site and it lists: 720#s for 25' Safari SS, 750#s for 25' Safari FB, and 870#s for 25' Classic.
And from the Airstream website, scroll to the bottom half of the page. Right between 25' FB and 25' SS sits the 860# hitch weight of the standard 25' Safari. The floor plans don't offer a clear clue. The SS has bed and bath aft of the axles. The FB door is at the back and the kitchen is the furthest aft of the 3 models.
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Ok guys, here's the latest...

We got the Airstream brochures back out and really studied floorplans and capacities. I think we found a better Safari floorplan with a much more favorable hitch weight.

- Safari 25 SS w/ bunk option and fold out couch.
- Hitch weight 750lbs. vs. 870lbs. on Classic 25
- UBW 5380lbs. vs. 6051lbs. on Classic 25
- Dinette- a big plus
- Sleeping options are better, can accomodate someone (my son) sleeping on couch, while we're still able to use dinette in morning.

Net, Net- We have a better florplan and can stay within payload spec. on the Titan. Plus it's a brand new trailer w/ 2 year warranty that we can get delivered next spring when we can use it rather than now when we can't.

What do ya think??
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If you REALLY like the 25SS Safari better than the 25 Classic for the reasons you mention, then go for it.

But over the years, I've just read of way too many new RVers, who've settled for a more lightly constructed trailer than the one they originally wanted, to squeeze under the published ratings of their current tow vehicle, only to find that squeezing under didn't cut it. Many wound up buying the larger tow vehicle anyway, and then regretted not having the trailer they really liked, but because of the big hit of depreciation on their new lighter trailer, couldn't afford to trade up to it now. I'm far from the only one here who's seen that same story played over and over on this forum, RV.net, and iRV2. Can I get an amen?

Frankly, I think something's wrong with Airstream's numbers. In 2001 and 2002, the 25 Excella/Classic had a tongue weight of 760 pounds and total weight of about 6,000. In 2003, the weights for the very same trailer changed to what they are today, close to the 890 pounds of my 2001 34 Limited, which is now down below 800 pounds.

You said you have an opportunity to test tow the Classic. Do it. Make a stop at a truck scales part of the test tow. With the rig hooked up and tensioned, get the tow vehicle's front axle and rear axle weights and the trailer axle weights. Then go park and chock the trailer, unhook the tow vehicle, and take the truck back across the scales, asking for a reweigh. That way, you'll KNOW the real numbers. You'll also get real-world experience you can't get from brochures, specifications, and Internet forums.
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