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07-05-2019, 06:16 AM
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#1161
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2020 Globetrotter 25 FBT
2020 25' Globetrotter
Wildwood
, Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,589
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfwhistle
Full black and grey with empty fresh will result in tongue-weight-ratio probably of 8% or worse , I suspect (I will load accordingly and verify when I get a chance). So what can AS do? Recommend not to travel. Not ideal; maybe not possible. What you should and can do is to limit travel to as short a trip to dump as possible or consider a Hensley or Propride hitch.
Clint
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I agree with WW. We’ve left many national FS campgrounds with full grey and black tanks, and minimal water in the freshwater tank. Have not noticed any difference. We do like to get that rear weight unloaded as soon as practical though.
We use a e2 hitch (I guess it’s fastway now) It has basic friction sway control, and works well.
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2020 25GT FBT
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
Previous AS trailers: (04) 19’ Bambi, and (11) FC 23FB
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07-05-2019, 08:23 AM
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#1162
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2 Rivet Member
2018 28' International
Liberty Hill
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 64
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PKI
Frank it is quite often that the back flow check valve leaks past into the fresh tank. Some folks have had luck by pressurizing with the fresh pump to flow some water and clear the debris that is causing the leak. Those of us with less luck need to replace the check valve. Pat
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Thanks I tried the pump with no luck but strange in that it fill to just 75% and nothing more. Where is the valve located?
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07-05-2019, 08:29 AM
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#1163
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2 Rivet Member
2020 25' Flying Cloud
Yamhill
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMFL
Rob,
Your in luck.... not a uncommon problem. Outside, under the shower, there is a access plate. Remove the plate by removing the 6 or so screws. This will allow you to gain access to the shower drain and P-trap. Check and re-tighten the plumbing connections. This “should” solve your problem.
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Thanks, I will get my dremel tool out and open up the one place I couldn’t access a screw and try again.
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07-05-2019, 08:56 AM
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#1164
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4 Rivet Member
2019 23' International
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 457
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfwhistle
Full black and grey with empty fresh will result in tongue-weight-ratio probably of 8% or worse , I suspect (I will load accordingly and verify when I get a chance). So what can AS do? Recommend not to travel. Not ideal; maybe not possible. What you should and can do is to limit travel to as short a trip to dump as possible or consider a Hensley or Propride hitch.
Clint
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Would that be any different than my equal-i-zer?
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2019 International Signature 23FB "Cecil"
2020 RAM 1500 Laramie
Former coach: 2015 Bambi 16 "Beanie"
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07-05-2019, 09:47 AM
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#1165
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3 Rivet Member
2020 23' Globetrotter
Savoy
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 192
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr
Thanks I tried the pump with no luck but strange in that it fill to just 75% and nothing more. Where is the valve located?
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The check valve is built into the pump. We had to replace the pump/check valve.
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07-05-2019, 12:11 PM
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#1166
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leedav
Would that be any different than my equal-i-zer?
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Yes - read the threads on hitches. Lots of differences between hitches. Learn what they are and consider what works for you. Pat
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07-06-2019, 07:57 AM
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#1167
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Wolfwhistle
Margaritaville
, Banana Republic
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leedav
Would that be any different than my equal-i-zer?
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You see... My F150 which I really like, is rather loose in tracking straight. It handles very well by itself. I would think wide metric tires on 20” rims add to the “issue”. The issue is tramlining, where the tires track in ruts, which feels like something is taking over the wheel. And we know how bad ruts can be in places. Rather than literally wasting hundreds of dollars trying to correct the truck, which I’ve witnessed some have done without much success, I went to a Hensley hitch. The Blue Ox could not stop the phenomena. Which, I should add, did not raise its ugly head with the previous F250. So, if you don’t have this problem and your hitch works for you, keep what you have. I do really like the Hensley. It took all concern away making traveling more relaxed for me, since weight distribution is not tied to sway control. Tongue weight ratio being low, matters not. There is absolutely no sway. This is my experience and YMMV.
Happy travels
Clint
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07-06-2019, 06:21 PM
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#1168
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2 Rivet Member
2020 25' Flying Cloud
Yamhill
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMFL
Rob,
Your in luck.... not a uncommon problem. Outside, under the shower, there is a access plate. Remove the plate by removing the 6 or so screws. This will allow you to gain access to the shower drain and P-trap. Check and re-tighten the plumbing connections. This “should” solve your problem.
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Got the hatch completely off today. The threaded compression ring is broken, bummer. It might be an easy fix if the entire P trap and drain assembly could come out to slide a new compression ring on, otherwise it looks like a pretty big job. :-(
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07-06-2019, 06:26 PM
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#1169
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Overkill Specialist
Commercial Member
2020 30’ Globetrotter
2014 23' International
Dadeville
, Alabama
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4,516
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The P-trap should come off. Pretty standard plumbing in there.... At least you found your leak!
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07-07-2019, 08:08 PM
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#1170
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4 Rivet Member
2019 23' International
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 457
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMFL
The P-trap should come off. Pretty standard plumbing in there.... At least you found your leak!
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Next question... How to deal with this weird shelf? Just stuff a rag down the back?
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2019 International Signature 23FB "Cecil"
2020 RAM 1500 Laramie
Former coach: 2015 Bambi 16 "Beanie"
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07-07-2019, 08:11 PM
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#1171
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2 Rivet Member
2018 23' International
2023 27' Globetrotter
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leedav
Next question... How to deal with this weird shelf? Just stuff a rag down the back? Attachment 345758
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I had all of mine extended to the top.
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Janice
2023 Globetrotter 27’
2024 GMC 3500 Denali Ultimate
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07-07-2019, 08:17 PM
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#1172
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4 Rivet Member
2019 23' International
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 457
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubya
I had all of mine extended to the top.
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Please elaborate
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2019 International Signature 23FB "Cecil"
2020 RAM 1500 Laramie
Former coach: 2015 Bambi 16 "Beanie"
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07-07-2019, 09:41 PM
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#1173
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2 Rivet Member
2018 23' International
2023 27' Globetrotter
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leedav
Please elaborate
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I don’t have any pics, but I can take some tomorrow. I had the dealership build the back walls of bathroom and kitchen cupboards. If I were handy and owned tools I could have done easily. But, I don’t and i’m not that handy, so I had them do it before I took possession. I can use them without fear of something falling into the abyss.
Had them take the bathroom door off, too....I have a curtain that closes there. The door bugged me ... blocking the kitchen sink.
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Janice
2023 Globetrotter 27’
2024 GMC 3500 Denali Ultimate
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07-08-2019, 08:25 PM
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#1174
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4 Rivet Member
2019 23' International
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 457
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubya
I don’t have any pics, but I can take some tomorrow. I had the dealership build the back walls of bathroom and kitchen cupboards. If I were handy and owned tools I could have done easily. But, I don’t and i’m not that handy, so I had them do it before I took possession. I can use them without fear of something falling into the abyss.
Had them take the bathroom door off, too....I have a curtain that closes there. The door bugged me ... blocking the kitchen sink.
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Is the table supposed to be wobbly and only lock in the travel position?
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2019 International Signature 23FB "Cecil"
2020 RAM 1500 Laramie
Former coach: 2015 Bambi 16 "Beanie"
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07-08-2019, 08:46 PM
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#1175
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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The top shakes a lot except when the slide lock is snapped tight. The lock slides into a hole and holds the top in place. However that lock rotates and clamps the slides in position. Pat
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07-08-2019, 08:56 PM
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#1176
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2 Rivet Member
2018 23' International
2023 27' Globetrotter
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leedav
Is the table supposed to be wobbly and only lock in the travel position?
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Mine wobbled. I spend the winters living in my trailer....the table is my work space. I had the whole table removed because i was constantly moving it out of my way. Since I work at that table I moved it a lot. Now, it makes that area a lounge and I love it. It’s just me...I have a great light weight table I put up .... move it out of the way in the evenings....or move it around when I entertain. Use it as an extra prep table. I can take the table outside (actually have 2 of them).
So no bathroom door and no table
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Janice
2023 Globetrotter 27’
2024 GMC 3500 Denali Ultimate
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07-08-2019, 11:00 PM
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#1177
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4 Rivet Member
2019 23' International
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 457
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubya
Mine wobbled. I spend the winters living in my trailer....the table is my work space. I had the whole table removed because i was constantly moving it out of my way. Since I work at that table I moved it a lot. Now, it makes that area a lounge and I love it. It’s just me...I have a great light weight table I put up .... move it out of the way in the evenings....or move it around when I entertain. Use it as an extra prep table. I can take the table outside (actually have 2 of them).
So no bathroom door and no table
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I'll probably design and build something better
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2019 International Signature 23FB "Cecil"
2020 RAM 1500 Laramie
Former coach: 2015 Bambi 16 "Beanie"
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07-09-2019, 05:39 AM
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#1178
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Wolfwhistle
Margaritaville
, Banana Republic
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdubya
... Had them take the bathroom door off, too....I have a curtain that closes there. The door bugged me ... blocking the kitchen sink.
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J, I am also bothered by the bathroom door. I have contemplated removing it and replacing with a bifold (DIY) but the curtain is certainly easier and has its advantages. Next project.
As far as the impractical dinette (YMMV situation), I removed all of it and replaced with a 78" long counter that runs below the windows and that can flip out and make into a single bed. I have 2 small office chairs, that work pretty good. It provides a place to prep / draw / work / appliances. Of course, the chairs can be swiveled so 2 people can actually watch TV at the same time (I rarely do, however) and they are considerably more comfortable than the original thin dinette cushions.
With the Jetpack and Weboost (and enough signal), I can watch Amazon Prime or Netflix on the iPad. Or just search the web for interesting content. Or, better yet, get outside when its nice.
Being able to return to stock if I ever sell the AS, is important.
Clint
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Is taking it all with you, really getting away from it all?
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07-09-2019, 06:11 AM
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#1179
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Wolfwhistle
Margaritaville
, Banana Republic
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 705
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I have wondered if going LFP batteries, where I would place them in the 23FB IS (2013).
I recently converted a cargo trailer to toyhauler / camper and needed unvented / sealed batteries and would want decent AGMs, possibly large and heavy AGMs.
I considered going to 100Ah Battle Born, but when I noticed Renogy dropped the price of their 170Ah LFP from $1499 to $980 I decided to buy 2. I thought I would put one in the new camper and one in the AS, but could put both in either when traveling.
The AS does have (had) two 6v @ 230 Ah. This is about 140# of batteries with the 46.3# of this single LFP giving me over 60% more usable AH. Two gives me about 300% more usable Ah. It would take about 420# of FLA to do that.
So, where to install it / them? I have never camped at below freezing but still wanted the LFP inside. There is lots of space under the bed, but I was thinking the existing wiring rats nest area might work. AS mounted some components dead center on the floor, making it a challenge to clear the space.
So, by removing the Use/Store solenoid and auto reset breakers, the J-Box (connects from the 7pin), the original ground bus and zip tie the rats next toward the sides as best I could, these 14.05 X 6.10 X 10.63 inches beasts might fit. And they do.
The only thing I need to do is make a suitable tiedown system for them.
Its easy to reprogram the TM-2030RV and SC-2030 for what the LFP's need and when I upgraded the Converter, I bought the one that LFP ready. Just moved the jumper plug. Done.
Attached in a paint drawing of the area. Not to scale.
Clint
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Is taking it all with you, really getting away from it all?
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07-09-2019, 06:43 AM
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#1180
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2 Rivet Member
2018 23' International
2023 27' Globetrotter
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfwhistle
J, I am also bothered by the bathroom door. I have contemplated removing it and replacing with a bifold (DIY) but the curtain is certainly easier and has its advantages. Next project.
As far as the impractical dinette (YMMV situation), I removed all of it and replaced with a 78" long counter that runs below the windows and that can flip out and make into a single bed. I have 2 small office chairs, that work pretty good. It provides a place to prep / draw / work / appliances. Of course, the chairs can be swiveled so 2 people can actually watch TV at the same time (I rarely do, however) and they are considerably more comfortable than the original thin dinette cushions.
With the Jetpack and Weboost (and enough signal), I can watch Amazon Prime or Netflix on the iPad. Or just search the web for interesting content. Or, better yet, get outside when its nice.
Being able to return to stock if I ever sell the AS, is important.
Clint
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I have seen pics (I recall that I have) of your table setup and I like it. I am sure this winter will bring about another set of changes for me to have done.
Taking the bathroom door off made a huge difference in overall floor space and having the back window visible is nice for view and airflow.
I have a Weeboost and the Airstream Connect and so far i’m pleased with signal strength. I had the microwave taken out and a cabinet door made to match; 50% of the time i’m dry camping so I figured the space was more important. I have my Weboost and connect mounted in that cabinet. It didn’t dawn on me to make the plug back there a 12v plug so I have to plug the Weboost into another receptacle when needed. Another project to have done. But, last weekend in the middle of nowhere FairPlay CO my connect was pulling in signal without using the Weboost.
I think I need more battery!
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Janice
2023 Globetrotter 27’
2024 GMC 3500 Denali Ultimate
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