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06-24-2019, 06:18 PM
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#1141
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3 Rivet Member
2010 23' FB Flying Cloud
McMinnville
, Oregon
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 186
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 51hunter
I have a 2019 23FB and have trouble with the 1/4 turn screws that hold the front bug shields in place. When I went to clean behind the shields I found that the catches that the screws catch where stripped out. So I had to improvise with short sheet metal screws to hold it. Anyone else having this problem? And or a solution to this problem? Thanks
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Yes I have this same issue but haven’t solved the problem. I might try your solution. Thanks.
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06-26-2019, 05:13 PM
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#1142
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2 Rivet Member
1975 29' Ambassador
2019 23' Flying Cloud
Beach Park
, Illinois
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 68
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2019 23fb
We just bought a 23FB down sizing from a 1975 29' Ambasador we owned for 27 yrs. First trip coming up.
Likes; lighter, shorter, large bathroom, layout, storage, AC venting,
Dislikes; table to big for comfort( I understand why), clearence, no lock on battery box, no easy way to clear 12vdc water pump, plastic cutting boards
Changes; Made a oak wood cutting board to fit in sink.
Made a new oak table 24x28 to replace the factory one. Factory table is stored in the closet next to the fridge. Made brackets to hold it against the rear wall with secure tie downs.Just in case it's needed.
Made a hidden compartment above the speaker in the front. A lot of wasted space up there for small valuables like $$$$$ or gun.
Replaced the thumb catch on the battery box with a compartment key style lock used on utility trucks.
Question I can't say I'm a fan of Nev R Lube bearings. To soon. But what is involved in changing them out to the old style bearings? I never had any problems repacking my own on the other trailer.
Thanks in advance John
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06-26-2019, 05:54 PM
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#1143
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 51hunter
-- snip -- Nev R Lube bearings. To soon. But what is involved in changing them out to the old style bearings? -- snip --
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John - the change requires an axle replacement ...... the spindle dimensions are different. So - IMHO - simply change out the hubs on a 50-100,000 mile basis. You probably can pull the hubs, press out the bearings and repack as normal. Fellow said he did that on one of the car applications. Seems like it's more trouble than it's worth. Did such in my youth. Not now. I'd rather mow the lawn, save those bucks and use them to buy the new hubs. Pat
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06-26-2019, 07:26 PM
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#1144
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2 Rivet Member
1975 29' Ambassador
2019 23' Flying Cloud
Beach Park
, Illinois
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 68
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PKI
John - the change requires an axle replacement ...... the spindle dimensions are different. So - IMHO - simply change out the hubs on a 50-100,000 mile basis. You probably can pull the hubs, press out the bearings and repack as normal. Fellow said he did that on one of the car applications. Seems like it's more trouble than it's worth. Did such in my youth. Not now. I'd rather mow the lawn, save those bucks and use them to buy the new hubs. Pat
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Thanks for the info. I kinda figured it wouldn't be a easy thing. Replace sounds much easier than repacking the nev r lube.
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06-27-2019, 08:03 AM
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#1145
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2020 Globetrotter 25 FBT
2020 25' Globetrotter
Wildwood
, Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,606
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I’ve got the old style bearings in our 2011. I’m going to have to look up some YouTube videos on repacking them. I’ve been paying every other year to get them repacked. The idea that you’d consider going back to the older style bearings is telling me I should be doing it myself.
Thx
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2020 25GT FBT
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
Previous AS trailers: (04) 19’ Bambi, and (11) FC 23FB
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06-27-2019, 01:19 PM
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#1146
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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It may not be necessary to pack so often. Quality grease should last more than a couple of years. Except if the rig is operated or towed in moist areas. Lots of cars and trucks run 100K before a repack.
How to - pull the hubs - clean out old grease with solvent - place a dob of grease in your hand and drag the bearing through the grease to force the grease into the bearing - caution to not load skin cells instead of grease. Do not remove the races from the hubs, but verify they are properly seated. Note - added grease in the cavity between the bearings is not recommended. Don't forget to install new seals. It's not worth skipping that step to save a buck.
There are bearing grease fixtures that allow the grease to be pressed into the bearing. But we all like to get our hands dirty.
Process is easier if you have a spare set of bearings pre-lubed. Then it's remove, clean and assemble with new.
Now, look up those You-tube videos and read a couple of procedure sheets. It's been about 30 years since I did a set of bearings. The new ones arrived today, so I'm going to have to do same. Pat
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06-28-2019, 04:35 PM
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#1147
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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oops - the castle nut ...... got to pull the cotter key to remove the nut and release the hub from the stub axle. That's probably logical, but the nut needs to be properly tightened when it all goes back together, and I forgot to mention that.
Reference this discussion for info on the process.
http://www.trailerlife.com/tech/diy/...heel-bearings/
Quoted from this link - Spindle nut torquing: Once the hub, bearings and thrust washer are in place, snug up the castellated spindle nut while spinning the drum. This seats the bearing. Then back off the nut a turn, retighten it (to about 50 ft-lb if you have a torque wrench) while spinning the drum, then back the nut off 1/4 turn. Fine-tune the nut if necessary to align its closest recesses with the cotter pin hole, or lock the nut in position with the existing tanged washer or cage-style retainer.
Pat
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06-28-2019, 04:48 PM
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#1148
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2 Rivet Member
1975 29' Ambassador
2019 23' Flying Cloud
Beach Park
, Illinois
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 68
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GettinAway
I’ve got the old style bearings in our 2011. I’m going to have to look up some YouTube videos on repacking them. I’ve been paying every other year to get them repacked. The idea that you’d consider going back to the older style bearings is telling me I should be doing it myself.
Thx
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Yes a bearing packer is cheap and doing it yourself isn't that hard. It used to take me about 3/4 hrs on each to do it/ Taht's raising,taking the tire off,drum off and putting it in the parts cleaner and re packing the bearings. I bought a bearing packer (plastic) that you use in a vise for this. Never wash out the bearings just push new grease through them. (checking for damage etc) but it was peace of mind for me.
I used to do mine every 5-7 thousand miles. Had one dry out an spin and that's not fun to fix.
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06-29-2019, 09:37 AM
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#1149
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2020 Globetrotter 25 FBT
2020 25' Globetrotter
Wildwood
, Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,606
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Thanks all. In the past, I’ve been concerned that the bearings were suffering from just sitting. With limited vacations, our 23FB spends a lot of time parked. For some reason I’ve just always thought that sitting was bad for the bearings.
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2020 25GT FBT
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
Previous AS trailers: (04) 19’ Bambi, and (11) FC 23FB
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07-01-2019, 05:43 PM
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#1150
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2 Rivet Member
2020 25' Flying Cloud
Yamhill
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 75
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Anyone had problems with a shower drain leak? We are getting water leaking outside only after using the shower. No water showing inside. Checked the shower valve and it is dry.
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07-02-2019, 06:14 AM
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#1151
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2020 Globetrotter 25 FBT
2020 25' Globetrotter
Wildwood
, Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,606
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Knock on wood. We haven’t seen this, but I’ve seen lots of reports from various models about the seal on the bottom of the shower door not working properly. I think it’s a pretty common problem. If I remember correctly, many ar just replacing the seal. Hope that’s it. And not a plumbing issue.
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2020 25GT FBT
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
Previous AS trailers: (04) 19’ Bambi, and (11) FC 23FB
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07-03-2019, 05:56 AM
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#1152
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2 Rivet Member
2018 28' International
Liberty Hill
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 64
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Tires
Any idea on how many miles I can get on my ORM Goodyear tires. They seam soft always leaving tire marks on driveway
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07-03-2019, 09:11 AM
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#1153
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2 Rivet Member
2015 23' FB Flying Cloud
Omaha
, Nebraska
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr
Any idea on how many miles I can get on my ORM Goodyear tires. They seam soft always leaving tire marks on driveway
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Trailer tires usually age out long before they wear out. Most recommend changing every 3 to 5 years maximum despite wear or mileage. If you have Goodyear marathons I’d change immediately. Goodyear endurance seems to be the current best choice but lots of opinions here.
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07-03-2019, 10:11 AM
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#1154
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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The 2017s would have had late production Marathons and those seem to have been better quality than the early China production runs. However, two years/20K miles is a good marker for upgrading to a design that gives higher speed rating and is expected to provide more effective service. Pat
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07-03-2019, 10:21 AM
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#1155
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4 Rivet Member
2019 23' International
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 457
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Greetings all. Subscribing here. Just traded in the Bambi 16. Signature 23FB joining us next week.
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07-03-2019, 05:25 PM
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#1156
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4 Rivet Member
2019 23' International
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 457
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Reading the manual. It’s recommended not to travel with the fresh water tank light and the waste tanks heavy. Help me out here. We do a lot of dry camping. How the heck are we supposed to get to the dump site?
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2019 International Signature 23FB "Cecil"
2020 RAM 1500 Laramie
Former coach: 2015 Bambi 16 "Beanie"
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07-04-2019, 04:29 AM
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#1157
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Wolfwhistle
Margaritaville
, Banana Republic
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 705
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Full black and grey with empty fresh will result in tongue-weight-ratio probably of 8% or worse , I suspect (I will load accordingly and verify when I get a chance). So what can AS do? Recommend not to travel. Not ideal; maybe not possible. What you should and can do is to limit travel to as short a trip to dump as possible or consider a Hensley or Propride hitch.
Clint
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07-04-2019, 05:08 AM
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#1158
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2 Rivet Member
2018 28' International
Liberty Hill
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 64
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Fresh water tank
Not sure if the fresh water gage is working correctly. The fresh water amount has increased from 35 to 75 but I have only had the water hose connected to the city water connection. I thought the fresh water only increased if you added water to the connection behind locked grey door?
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07-04-2019, 07:11 AM
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#1159
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Overkill Specialist
Commercial Member
2020 30’ Globetrotter
2014 23' International
Dadeville
, Alabama
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4,516
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Edgerton
Anyone had problems with a shower drain leak? We are getting water leaking outside only after using the shower. No water showing inside. Checked the shower valve and it is dry.
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Rob,
Your in luck.... not a uncommon problem. Outside, under the shower, there is a access plate. Remove the plate by removing the 6 or so screws. This will allow you to gain access to the shower drain and P-trap. Check and re-tighten the plumbing connections. This “should” solve your problem.
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07-04-2019, 08:41 AM
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#1160
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr
-- snip -- I thought the fresh water only increased if you added water to the connection behind locked grey door?
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Frank it is quite often that the back flow check valve leaks past into the fresh tank. Some folks have had luck by pressurizing with the fresh pump to flow some water and clear the debris that is causing the leak. Those of us with less luck need to replace the check valve. Pat
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