Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-11-2019, 05:43 AM   #1041
Rivet Master
 
GettinAway's Avatar

 
2011 23' FB Flying Cloud
Chesterfield , Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,260
Jdubya, we also swi5chd from 19 to 23FB. I think the 23 pulls better. Maybe it’s the dual axle, not sure, but it feels very stable back there. We don’t have a lot under the bed. All the spare boots and shoes. All the linens towels etc in the tubs. We do have a lot of clothes in the over the bed cabinets and both wardrobes. Plus all my fishing stuff. We also have the front storage compartment packed full. Tool box, hoses and miscellaneous stuff.
You’re going to love the 23FB. Welcome to the group.
__________________

__________________
2011 FC 23FB
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
GettinAway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2019, 10:53 AM   #1042
2 Rivet Member
 
2019 23' International
Seattle , Washington
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 66
Thank you PKI so much great information!!!!!!!
__________________

Bradley G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2019, 04:47 PM   #1043
2 Rivet Member
 
2018 23' Flying Cloud
Savoy , Texas
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 93
Images: 1
We went from a 22FB to our 23FB. Using the bathroom scale weight measure loaded for travel our hitch weight is around 625 lbs. Ten gallons of fresh water and 5 gallons of water in black tank. It pulls smoother than the 22FB.
SpinWhite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2019, 02:48 AM   #1044
2 Rivet Member
 
2017 23' International
Liberty Hill , Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 34
Tires

What are the thoughts on the factory supplied tires? We plan two long times this summer and a neighbor said that the tires supplied by the factory are junk and I should immediately upgrade. I get ours today and no idea of the quality of the tires.
Franktr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2019, 05:09 AM   #1045
Rivet Master
 
GettinAway's Avatar

 
2011 23' FB Flying Cloud
Chesterfield , Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,260
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr View Post
What are the thoughts on the factory supplied tires? We plan two long times this summer and a neighbor said that the tires supplied by the factory are junk and I should immediately upgrade. I get ours today and no idea of the quality of the tires.
Depends on which ones you have. If they are Goodyear Marathons, you will probably want to swap them out. Depends a bit on age. If they are the newer Goodyear Endurance tires, Iíve read almost 100% positive comments on them. When I switched from 14Ē wheels to 15Ē, I went with the GY Endurance tires, and so far so good. I watch tire pressures closely, no matter what tire is there. Tire failure on an AS can be very costly. If the tread separates and beats on the aluminum, or dump valves.. Knocking on wood.
__________________
2011 FC 23FB
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
GettinAway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2019, 08:54 PM   #1046
2 Rivet Member
 
2017 23' International
Liberty Hill , Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 34
First Night

Our first night love it so far. Bathroom and shower are great.. Two questions for now the fridge does it have an internal light? Also can we adjust the Temp does not seem cold enough.
Franktr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2019, 08:56 PM   #1047
2 Rivet Member
 
2017 23' International
Liberty Hill , Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by GettinAway View Post
Depends on which ones you have. If they are Goodyear Marathons, you will probably want to swap them out. Depends a bit on age. If they are the newer Goodyear Endurance tires, Iíve read almost 100% positive comments on them. When I switched from 14Ē wheels to 15Ē, I went with the GY Endurance tires, and so far so good. I watch tire pressures closely, no matter what tire is there. Tire failure on an AS can be very costly. If the tread separates and beats on the aluminum, or dump valves.. Knocking on wood.

Okay I have Goodyear Endurance tires 15 inch so I should be okay.
Franktr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2019, 09:00 PM   #1048
Overkill Specialist
 
GMFL's Avatar

 
2014 23' International
Dadeville , Alabama
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 3,172
Images: 4
Blog Entries: 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr View Post
the fridge does it have an internal light?
No, the big fridges do but not the ones installed in the 23’s

Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr View Post
Also can we adjust the Temp does not seem cold enough.
Yes,it can be adjusted by siding the thermistor (I believe) down on the cooling fin. BUT...With that said,it will never be as cold as a residential refrigerator, Welcome to RV refrigeration.
GMFL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2019, 06:29 AM   #1049
Rivet Master
 
switz's Avatar

 
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction , Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 5,426
Images: 8
We converted our stock refrigerator to a Verifrigo DP150i freon based coolent with a Dan Foss 12Vdc compressor and it does have an internal light and accurate temperature control with both a freezer compartment with it’s own door and the main refrigerator compartment.
__________________
WBCCI Life Member 5123, AIR 70341, 4CU, WD9EMC

TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell

2014 31' Classic model 30 twin beds, 50 amp service, 900 watt solar system, Centramatics, Dill TPMS, disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
switz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2019, 10:02 AM   #1050
Rivet Master
 
GettinAway's Avatar

 
2011 23' FB Flying Cloud
Chesterfield , Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,260
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr View Post
Okay I have Goodyear Endurance tires 15 inch so I should be okay.
I would certainly say so. Many threads on the GY Endurance. Almost all very positive. Now, when you need to decide what pressure to run them at, thatís opening up a whole different can of worms.
__________________
2011 FC 23FB
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
GettinAway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2019, 06:05 AM   #1051
Rivet Master
 
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Long Island , New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 11,400
Quote:
Originally Posted by GMFL View Post
. . .
Yes,it can be adjusted by siding the thermistor (I believe) down on the cooling fin. BUT...With that said,it will never be as cold as a residential refrigerator, Welcome to RV refrigeration.
Most thermistors have to be moved up to get colder I think. [Mnemonic -- it is colder UP north]

Good quality fridge/freezer thermometers are essential to track this IMO.

Also, try to avoid putting warm items in the fridge. Buy things cold, or pre-chill them in a cooler . . . makes a huge difference in performance. You can get close to residential performance IMO. In hot weather, adding some ice once in a while helps the cows limp back to the barn, doncha know?

Peter
OTRA15 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2019, 07:25 AM   #1052
2 Rivet Member
 
2017 23' International
Liberty Hill , Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by GettinAway View Post
I would certainly say so. Many threads on the GY Endurance. Almost all very positive. Now, when you need to decide what pressure to run them at, thatís opening up a whole different can of worms.
Thinking of running 75 PSI> Could not find a definitive number bit the tires say 80 PSI I think that is a max pressure.
Franktr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2019, 07:30 AM   #1053
2 Rivet Member
 
2017 23' International
Liberty Hill , Texas
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 34
Another question Towel Rack bathroom/Mattress

We have a 2017 23FB and want to add another towel rack on the door in the bathroom. However where can I buy one the same as what is there? I would like them to match.

We elected to swap the mattress from our old trailer to this one but it is too large. So going to buy a replacement. How is the Airstream OEM Mattress? Does anyone have the air adjustable mattress and are they worth the added cost.
Franktr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2019, 07:44 AM   #1054
4 Rivet Member
 
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett , Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 477
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr View Post
We have a 2017 23FB and want to add another towel rack on the door in the bathroom. However where can I buy one the same as what is there? I would like them to match.
We added an over the door option similar to this:



Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr View Post
We elected to swap the mattress from our old trailer to this one but it is too large. So going to buy a replacement. How is the Airstream OEM Mattress? Does anyone have the air adjustable mattress and are they worth the added cost.
We like our Airstream mattress. Be careful replacing it. One corner of the mattress is severely shortened to accommodate the curve of the trailer wall.
__________________
Bobbo, Lin and the furry kid (45 pound rescue)
2017 F-150 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
Bobbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2019, 09:42 AM   #1055
PKI
Rivet Master
 
PKI's Avatar
 
2015 23' FB Flying Cloud
Walnut Creek , California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,637
The towel rck should be available from AS service. Believe someone else asked the same question. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f295...ts-133783.html

The bed frame requires the addition of a section of 1/4" plywood and a foot fiddle to allow the use of a full size queen mattress. The square corner of the std mattress leaves space at the head, but that area is easily filled with foam, pillows or a headboard as one user elegantly installed.

We found that a heavier mattress required the upgrade of the platform lift struts and sourced them from a commercial parts house. The brackets need a backing plate and through bolts for sufficient mounting structure to deal with the added load. An extra block of wood has worked well so far.

So, yes, a full size mattress will fit. Much nicer for the taller among us. The short fall with which we struggle is the foam mattress construction. It deforms through the night and the indents which match your body shape are valleys which must be escaped to roll over. We believe we would have been better served with firm conventional construction mattress.

There have been folks who tried the air adjustable mattress and reported great comfort. Someday we may try one. Pat
PKI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 04:40 AM   #1056
Rivet Master
 
GettinAway's Avatar

 
2011 23' FB Flying Cloud
Chesterfield , Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,260
We just bought a memory foam topper and find it along with the factory mattress to be just fine.
I’m running my GY Endurance tire pressures at 70 also. I know that’s way more than needed, but we are not seeing any popped rivets, or open doors etc..
__________________
2011 FC 23FB
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
GettinAway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 09:45 AM   #1057
Rivet Master
 
switz's Avatar

 
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction , Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 5,426
Images: 8
Here is the load table for the Good Year Endurance tires. The highest inflation may shake the trailer to death.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf GoodYear Endurance Tire Load Table.pdf (301.0 KB, 28 views)
__________________
WBCCI Life Member 5123, AIR 70341, 4CU, WD9EMC

TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell

2014 31' Classic model 30 twin beds, 50 amp service, 900 watt solar system, Centramatics, Dill TPMS, disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
switz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 09:49 AM   #1058
3 Rivet Member
 
2016 19' Flying Cloud
Miami Springs , Florida
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 116
We have a 19t single axle (23 is on order), and we upgraded the tires to Endurance after reading all the horror stories about the Marathons right when the Endurance came out. Since we were looking for the maximum safety we went to recommendation on the sidewall: "For Max Load Inflate to 80 PSI". Ride quality improved significantly, and we know about popped rivets and others only from the forum, but on the 23 I would consider running lower PSI as the weight supported by every tire is way less.
Meanwhile the 19's GVWR of 4500 puts 2250 on each of its two tires, the 23's GVWR of 6000 will put only 1500 over each of is four tires. The double axle 23 outs very little stress over the tires when compared to other AS models (bigger and smaller), therefore probably we have (its the first time I refer to myself as a 23 owner ;-)) larger room to play than others when it comes to pressures....
Gallego is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 09:53 AM   #1059
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
Ravenna , Ohio
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franktr View Post
Thinking of running 75 PSI> Could not find a definitive number bit the tires say 80 PSI I think that is a max pressure.

If you read the actual wording on tires the "max infl" is directly related to the stated "Max Load".


Load capacity on ALL tires is directly related to the tire inflation pressure. It is the air pressure that supports the load else why have Load Inflation tables?


I have never seen a "Sidewall construction/load capacity" table.


If you keep your tires properly inflated for the actual load you will ONLY have sidewall failure if you have an Impact (shock load) or a cut/puncture (loss of air).


"Proper inflation" means more air pressure than identified in the table for the actual scale measured load (while running lower speed than tire design.


Load formula on P & LT tires is based on an assumed 85 mph operational speed. Load Formula for ST tires is based on an assumed 65 mph max speed. If ST didn't have a lower speed limit they what magic is used in ST tires to allow them to support more load than LT tires? Note that P tires are to be De-rated" when in P/U or trailer application to a load capacity that is similar to the capacity of an LT tire of the same physical dimension.
__________________
Retired tire engineer (40 years). Write a blog on RV Tire Safety. Give seminars for FMCA In Perry GA & Minot ND.
Tireman9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 10:06 AM   #1060
2 Rivet Member
 
2014 23' FB Flying Cloud
Yamhill , Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by switz View Post
Here is the load table for the Good Year Endurance tires. The highest inflation may shake the trailer to death.


And here is the load table for Michelin LTX 235/75 R 15 Defender tires. I run mine between 35-37 for our 23FB. They run cool and gives an excellent towing experience.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am looking for a load vs pressure chart for Defender 235/75R15 LTX tires.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Inflation=Load

26=1545

29=1686

32=1825

35=1960

38=2094

41=2183
__________________

Rob Edgerton is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
23FB thread/forum seems to be missing? PKI Forum Admin, News and Member Account Info 18 05-24-2018 03:17 PM
New to the Forum Looking at 23FB and new Tow Rig SYC2Vette Member Introductions 2 04-17-2017 02:51 PM
Forum Feedback... What do you think of this forum site? Andy R Our Community 37 04-11-2012 11:29 PM
Airstream Forum Blues-suggestions for forum usage hex Our Community 18 10-20-2002 11:12 AM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
×