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Old 03-14-2018, 09:47 PM   #575
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Does anyone know which lift kit is correct for the 23FB? I have the Airstream part number for the axle, 410980-09, but so far that hasn't been much help. I've read that Airstream will buy a #11 axle and derate it and use it for the 23D. I've not been able to find any specific information about if the 23FB has a #10 or #11 axle. I need that extra lift in a few areas.

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Old 03-15-2018, 08:01 AM   #576
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I'd like to know as well, I have a 2010 23'FB and I want that lift. And where can you buy them? I looked at the Dexter website, but couldn't seem to identify a lift kit. And does anyone know whether the 23FBs will accommodate 16" wheels? I'm looking for some serious clearance. Hoping to head for a rough drive.
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:53 AM   #577
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Our 23FB (2013) has #10 axles; the Dexter kit for #10 axles is K71-707-02. But I'd double check with them before you order...

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This is very helpful information, appreciate it! Is there any concern about these lifts being unstable if doing a lot of driving, or driving on rough roads? I plan to be out about a year with a lot of boondocking and some rough roads in my future. Any advice would be deeply appreciated.

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Old 03-15-2018, 09:10 AM   #578
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Thanks for the input, and yes very appropriate since I was questioning the 23FB layout compared to the 23D. Honestly I bought the 23FB because the deal was just too good to pass up. But after using it, the 23D would make more sense for me. I'm solo, and on the occassions I (hopefully) won't be, the corner bed would be just fine, and as you point out, pulling out the sofa if needed is an easy process. Same with the bath. I actually like the two storage cabinets in the 23D above the bath sink, miss that a LOT. I also like the dinette being up against the window on the 23D, allowing items to be placed there while in camp and be out of the way. Hard to have condiments, wine bottles, fruit bowl, etc, on the u-dinette table on the 2014+ FB. Gets in the way.

I'm getting tempted to put mine for sale and begin the wait for a good deal on a 23D so I can join your thread
I have a 2010 23FB I guess it's the old dinette, it's up against the wall, person sitting against the window has to deal with the wheel well, but that hasn't been a problem. I regularly sit three at the dinette with no issues. I love the queen bed, have a 3' topper on it and it is my favorite bed of all, including the new one at my house. And being able to get out of the shower, towel off and dress in the bathroom, that was and still is important to me. I figure I will lounge outside, and if the weather is bad...well, that's why I have wheels :-)

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Old 03-15-2018, 09:41 AM   #579
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This is very helpful information, appreciate it! Is there any concern about these lifts being unstable if doing a lot of driving, or driving on rough roads? I plan to be out about a year with a lot of boondocking and some rough roads in my future. Any advice would be deeply appreciated.

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I've been researching it for a while as we definitely need more clearance for boondocking, and haven't heard of any issues with stability. Colin Hyde is going to be putting the #10 lift kit on our 23FB, and he just got back from a three week trip where he tested it out on his trailer. I'm assuming he didn't have any problems, but will check with him and post if he noticed anything.

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Old 03-15-2018, 01:05 PM   #580
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If you search this thread you will find that I had a lift kit installed about 2 years ago by an authorized Dexter Axle dealer. The price was right and it works great.. I also put 15 in wheels and new tires. The kit that I used was #10 2 63T my total cost including installation was $378.83.

Works well as I needed additional clearance for a dip in driveway. Hope this info helps. Dave
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Old 03-15-2018, 02:55 PM   #581
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Let us see your 23FB with 16" Tires. I have just begun to put them on my 2008 23FB. I am not sure yet if I will need a lift to go with the 16". I am a little concerned about wheel well clearance. My TV is a 4 X4 one ton dodge mega cab (romper room ) so I have all kinds of power and clearance. Let the fun begin.
Hey Melissa,
I am just ordering a lift and gonna upgrade tires, was unsure if anyone puts 16s on these coaches. How has your experience been and did you decide to get the lift as well. Would really appreciate any advice as I am making this decision this week. Thanks,
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Old 03-15-2018, 03:03 PM   #582
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While the 16" Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires are 29.2" in diameter versus the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires at 28.9", there was just a " clearance on the curb side front wheel opening to the sidewall edge of the 15" Michelin tire.

Since the GVW of a 23FB is 6,000 pounds, the 16" Michelins are overkill and could provide a much stiffer ride for the coach and they weigh more as well.

We run the 15" Michelins at 44 psi on the 23D which is the same pressure we used on our 2013 25FB International Serenity with a GVW of 7,300 pounds.
Hey Switz,
I was looking at a Dexter Lift and 16' tires. I pulled my black water line off twice last fall once boondocking on a rough road, and once just pulling out of a gas station with a steep curb...Am I overkilling with both the lift and the 16s? Am I incurring any safety issues? And the rougher ride? Does that impact the TV or are you thinking damage to the coach itself? Any and all advice appreciated.
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Old 03-15-2018, 03:28 PM   #583
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After reading through this whole thread, I saw a lot of good points about certain aspects of one floorplan being better than the other in regards to the 23fb and the 23d, such as sleep space vs living space. But based on the floorplans online, it seems to me that the kitchen counter space in the 23d is almost non-existent compared to that of the 23fb.

We tend to cook on the fire when we camp, but sometimes that's not so possible due to weather and sometimes climate restrictions. The kitchen is an important space for us because we like to cook.

Does anyone have any input regarding the layout of the kitchen area and how it works for you? Would you have chosen the other floorplan after using your current one?
I love to cook and started doing a lot of inside cooking on my last 3 month trip. Expect even more cooking as I spend a year wandering around. I love the counter room on the 23FB, and that double sink was great for dishes and clean up. I cooked most of thanksgiving dinner inside, and cut up the turkey on the inside counter for grilling, love that space. It's just me and my medium pup, but I frequently have people (2) for dinner or breakfast and we fit fine at the old style dinette, with the table that goes to the window. Love the layout of the 23FB!
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Old 03-15-2018, 04:35 PM   #584
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More counter space with FB than CB ............????

The coach with more counter space is the 20. However it has other negatives ... compromise is your tool in about every case. The counter space of the 23CB and 23FB are similar but different. Some folks have added a lift up counter that swings up in the doorway of the CB to increase the work space. Not really possible with the FB, but the dinette table provides prep work space if you need more. It also encourages a team event, which makes cooking chores more fun. Note, both have covers for the sink and adding a hole in the sink cover can help improve access for dual use. Look at the 23D thread for D/CB mods to improve the usability and comfort. Pat

Edit - To your question ..... no, we like the 23FB, because the layout works for us. The folks who like the D/CB are different folks. Figure out what works for you. With the FB, cooking is usually a one pan event and we do use the microwave. Grilling chicken provides meat for several meals. Same with beef and pork. We always have breakfast and eat a lot of salads with meat and cheese for dinner.
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Old 03-15-2018, 06:23 PM   #586
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Has anyone tried rotating the table by unbolting and reinstalling 45% so that it slides long ways to the window?
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The stiffer ride of the 16" Michelins, saying that they might fit on a different 23D/23FB as they would not work on our 2015 23D due to lack of clearance, could cause damage to the trailer (cabinets are held up by a few screws).

I believe it was the 2017 models that now come with the 15" tires and wheels stock so the wheel wells may have been opened a little more and then the 16" Michelins might fit.

The upgrade to the 15" Michelins from the stock 14" GYM tires and wheels elevated the trailer 1.1" which brought the frame hitch to the same elevation as our 2013 25FB. We use a straight (no offset) Hensley Arrow stinger which makes for a level pull to the tow vehicle.

Raising the trailer higher adds a twisting motion from a higher ball and might be an issue for non-frame mounted receivers like on our Mercedes.

I drove behind a brand new Oliver Elite II (23' 6" long with a 18' external measurement living space) dual axle trailer last week and it seems very tall and narrow wheel base since it is about 7' wide versus the 23D being 8' wide. While there is lots of ground clearance, I wonder how it handles large side gusts at highway speeds. It does have a 7,000 pound GVW versus the Airstream 6,000 pound GVW.

One must remember that just raising the box does not increase the ground clearance under the axles. Going from 14" tires and wheels to the 15" tires and wheels increased the axle ground clearance 1.1".
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Switz - I got schooled on that axle thing. The tanks are lower than the axle, so lifting the tanks is of value. Is that the case on the D? Pat
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