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Old 08-28-2017, 03:56 PM   #351
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Did you connect the generator regulator direct to the low pressure port or bypass the regulator on the end of the generator's furnished supply hose and then connect it?


I took the first regulator off the Champion since the AS regulator serves that purpose. Hose from aux port goes direct to Champion low pressure regulator. I have a post elsewhere here on the forums with photos and details of how I plumbed it up.
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Old 08-28-2017, 04:00 PM   #352
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Many thanks for the fast response.

On my 2007 International, I would have to add a low pressure port, but I just happen to have the parts (grin).

This helps in the generator selection process I'm working on....probably the slightly bigger Champion Inverter dual-fuel...
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Old 08-28-2017, 04:08 PM   #353
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Many thanks for the fast response.

On my 2007 International, I would have to add a low pressure port, but I just happen to have the parts (grin).

This helps in the generator selection process I'm working on....probably the slightly bigger Champion Inverter dual-fuel...


The Champion actually comes with two regulators that are in series. The first is a standard high to low. That is the one you don't need. The second one which is larger is the one you keep and gets connected to the quick connect port and the generator.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:02 AM   #354
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Some folks have reported overheating of their USB outlets. There is a thread on replacement hardware. Pat

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...ch-155103.html
Thanks for the info, Pat.

The USB hookups must be fairly new--on my 2013, I only have the two-outlet electrical jacks. I checked them out, and found no sign of heating on them.

Also, getting down in there, I see no sign on the interior of that damage. So maybe it's something restricted to the two surfaces I photographed--maybe something did get stuck in there at one time, & is gone now. <shrug>

I guess I'll keep an eye on it, & try not to worry unless I see it getting worse.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:19 AM   #355
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We've had our 23FB since November of last year and just returned from a 4800 mile trip to Yellowstone and Tetons. ...

We really love it overall, have spent a lot a lot of time in it thus far, and look forward to spending a lot more time in it.
We were apparently running in parallel. We were in the Badlands around the 16th, Yellowstone the 17th/18th, and passed through Jackson on the way to a family reunion & eclipse viewing in Lander WY the 19th-21st. On the 22nd we high-tailed it back east, to drop our son at college in Blacksburg, VA. 5400 miles, and what a trip! Other than a broken awning rafter arm claw, no mishaps.

We left knowing the fridge was non-functional. It needs a new cooling unit, or total replacement. Two coolers & regular ice refills allowed us to defer the choice. Also, our blackwater sensor is broken, reading red after any use. Like you, I'm not too concerned with fixing it.
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23" layout questions

After reading through this whole thread, I saw a lot of good points about certain aspects of one floorplan being better than the other in regards to the 23fb and the 23d, such as sleep space vs living space. But based on the floorplans online, it seems to me that the kitchen counter space in the 23d is almost non-existent compared to that of the 23fb.

We tend to cook on the fire when we camp, but sometimes that's not so possible due to weather and sometimes climate restrictions. The kitchen is an important space for us because we like to cook.

Does anyone have any input regarding the layout of the kitchen area and how it works for you? Would you have chosen the other floorplan after using your current one?
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After reading through this whole thread, I saw a lot of good points about certain aspects of one floorplan being better than the other in regards to the 23fb and the 23d, such as sleep space vs living space. But based on the floorplans online, it seems to me that the kitchen counter space in the 23d is almost non-existent compared to that of the 23fb.



We tend to cook on the fire when we camp, but sometimes that's not so possible due to weather and sometimes climate restrictions. The kitchen is an important space for us because we like to cook.



Does anyone have any input regarding the layout of the kitchen area and how it works for you? Would you have chosen the other floorplan after using your current one?


Odie,

We have a 23D. We sound like you in terms of cook outside mostly. However, we do cook inside for kids if late or poor weather. I have found the kitchen space fine, no issues or regrets. It would not be a major reason to pick another unit for us.

We needed more sleep space with a larger family, so the 23D Bunk was the ticket. Also, having the lounge in addition to the dinette was key, and it has proven very useful for us, especially for the bed, and for the hang out area.

You sacrifice bathroom, and the corner bed is tight for two for sure. Last trip I slept on the lounge and that worked well, with the wife on the main bed. We can squeeze in, but with the room, it works nice for the lounge. When we want to be close, we can fit in the corner bed.

Shower and bathroom seemed small, but it has worked for us, no issues, plenty of room and functionality.
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When we want to be close, we can fit in the corner bed.
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Does anyone have any input regarding the layout of the kitchen area and how it works for you? Would you have chosen the other floorplan after using your current one?
If I had to do it over again (and I will if the right situation presents itself) I'd go for the 23D over the 23FB. It's mostly just me and my medium pup, and even then the FB just has a 'tight' feel in terms of the living space. The FB has two attributes that attracts many people:

1. The bedroom is AWESOME, with the size of the bed, and the fact that it has a somewhat 'separate' feel to it. But it uses hella lot of space for the luxury. The 'walk-around' aspect of the bed is not really functional...it's about a 6-8 inch opening on the window side of the bed, which is barely enough room to navigate, and with the cabinets directly above, anyone who tries will crack their head, every time. Realistically, the "inside" person will probably jump over the 'outside' person instead just like on the corner bed, or maybe go to the foot of the bed and walk around that way. So really, that 6-8 inches on the window side (and the 12 inches or so at the foot of the bed) is a huge waste of space. I've started using it for storage by stuffing spare blankets and whatever down there.

2. The full, separate bath is also a luxurious feature, with plenty of room for the toilet as compared to the tight fit on the corner bed model, and with the sink, toilet and shower all in a separate space. It's roomy enough to dry off in the bathroom, so there's more privacy. The downside to all that...again, it uses living space.

The result of the generous space in the bedroom and bathroom is the very little floor space for the living area. The island dinette (2014 and later) is very cramped with a table that is too large in my opinion. But Airstream seems bound and determined to offer 'dining for four' come hell or high water. Four people (in my opinion) would be very uncomfortable at that table. And, making it into a bed results in a very narrow bed...for all practical purposes, big enough for only one adult, maybe two children. The sofa that slides into a bed on the corner model is a huge plus, as it gives a similar size bed as on the FB dinette, but without having to convert the dinette, and leaving that be. That's massively convenient. I think a lot of couples use the corner bed for the lady of the house, and the gents use the sofa slide-out like Trout mentioned.

The other advantage is simply the space to relax a bit if inside in the rain, etc--the sofa provides that. The only place on the FB is the bed, or the dinette. The dinette table does swivel around and in and out, and if turned 90 degrees, two people can 'sort of' lounge on each side, against the rounded corners of the seating, but it's not ideal. Some people put the table down and add some more pillows to make it a lounging area.

One last thing I dislike about the dinette is that since it's an island table, it's tougher to use it to leave things out on while camped, like you can on the front dinette on the corner bed models, where you can put regularly used items (wine/drink bottles, books, odds and ends, etc, up against the window, and they aren't in the way.

Having said all that, the FB does have more counter space, depending on model. On the Flying Cloud which is what I have, Airstream chose to put in a double sink (I scratch my head on that one--a bath sink and single kitchen sink is plenty!) so the additional counter space is used up by that--so I leave the right-side sink cover on at all times and use that for counter space. On the corner bed model, while there's not a ton of counter space, using a sink cover helps, and also the dinette is a short reach away to use while meal prepping inside.

OK, one other little thing if you have pets, the corner bed has a great place to put the dog bed---under the dinette and out of the way at night and in mornings. In the FB, can't do that because of the table support, so there is nowhere 'out of the way'. I put it by the door at night, then put it away for the day. Poor pup is constantly getting told to "get out of my way" in the mornings

There are some folks on here who love their FB's for the bath and the bedroom, and are fine with the dinette, so obviously it's very personal like with anything. I moved from a 19 corner bed to the 23FB, but really went with the front bed because only because the deal was too good to pass up. The 23 Corner Bed has the efficient floor plan of the 19, but with the luxury of the 66 inches of sofa and floor space in front of it, more storage, bigger fridge than the 19, etc.

One other item I recently realized is that the 23 FB has a 30 gallon Grey tank, while the corner bed has 21 gallons, which is the same as the 19', while both 23s carry 39 gallons of fresh water and 18 of black water. So the extra grey capacity is nice--I guess it's the layout that allowed for a bigger tank. Nice upgrade but not a deal killer. The FB also has an insane amount of storage, including almost the entire area beneath the bed (which lifts up on gas struts), 2 bedroom closets, 2 bedroom drawers, and a total of six overhead lockers. Though the corner bed has a great deal of storage as well...just a little less I think, but that's just a guess from looking at then briefly recently.

I would recommend taking a good look at both and spending some time in each to get a feel for the layouts. Whether or not you have kids or pets might have a major impact on your decision as well.

Well, you asked so there ya go!
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If I traveled alone, or with just a pup, and didn't spend most of my time outdoors, the 23D would be fine. We are just outside a huge percentage of the time we camp. We are inside to sleep, or use the bath, or sometimes cook. We've never turned on the flat screen. We bought comfortable outdoor chairs, and a screen room.
Also, I'm 6'5" and don't fit in a corner bed. We had one in our 19' Bambi. I ended up moving to the front dinette to sleep, that's not working. It's clearly different strokes for different folks. There's no lounging area in the 23FB, although we occasionally read at the table. Also, we haven't been on an extended trip, longer than 2 weeks. After retirement, and longer trips start to happen, we may be looking for more indoor space.
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If I had to do it over again (and I will if the right situation presents itself) I'd go for the 23D over the 23FB. It's mostly just me and my medium pup, and even then the FB just has a 'tight' feel in terms of the living space. The FB has two attributes that attracts many people:

1. The bedroom is AWESOME, with the size of the bed, and the fact that it has a somewhat 'separate' feel to it. But it uses hella lot of space for the luxury. The 'walk-around' aspect of the bed is not really functional...it's about a 6-8 inch opening on the window side of the bed, which is barely enough room to navigate, and with the cabinets directly above, anyone who tries will crack their head, every time. Realistically, the "inside" person will probably jump over the 'outside' person instead just like on the corner bed, or maybe go to the foot of the bed and walk around that way. So really, that 6-8 inches on the window side (and the 12 inches or so at the foot of the bed) is a huge waste of space. I've started using it for storage by stuffing spare blankets and whatever down there.

2. The full, separate bath is also a luxurious feature, with plenty of room for the toilet as compared to the tight fit on the corner bed model, and with the sink, toilet and shower all in a separate space. It's roomy enough to dry off in the bathroom, so there's more privacy. The downside to all that...again, it uses living space.

The result of the generous space in the bedroom and bathroom is the very little floor space for the living area. The island dinette (2014 and later) is very cramped with a table that is too large in my opinion. But Airstream seems bound and determined to offer 'dining for four' come hell or high water. Four people (in my opinion) would be very uncomfortable at that table. And, making it into a bed results in a very narrow bed...for all practical purposes, big enough for only one adult, maybe two children. The sofa that slides into a bed on the corner model is a huge plus, as it gives a similar size bed as on the FB dinette, but without having to convert the dinette, and leaving that be. That's massively convenient. I think a lot of couples use the corner bed for the lady of the house, and the gents use the sofa slide-out like Trout mentioned.

The other advantage is simply the space to relax a bit if inside in the rain, etc--the sofa provides that. The only place on the FB is the bed, or the dinette. The dinette table does swivel around and in and out, and if turned 90 degrees, two people can 'sort of' lounge on each side, against the rounded corners of the seating, but it's not ideal. Some people put the table down and add some more pillows to make it a lounging area.

One last thing I dislike about the dinette is that since it's an island table, it's tougher to use it to leave things out on while camped, like you can on the front dinette on the corner bed models, where you can put regularly used items (wine/drink bottles, books, odds and ends, etc, up against the window, and they aren't in the way.

Having said all that, the FB does have more counter space, depending on model. On the Flying Cloud which is what I have, Airstream chose to put in a double sink (I scratch my head on that one--a bath sink and single kitchen sink is plenty!) so the additional counter space is used up by that--so I leave the right-side sink cover on at all times and use that for counter space. On the corner bed model, while there's not a ton of counter space, using a sink cover helps, and also the dinette is a short reach away to use while meal prepping inside.

OK, one other little thing if you have pets, the corner bed has a great place to put the dog bed---under the dinette and out of the way at night and in mornings. In the FB, can't do that because of the table support, so there is nowhere 'out of the way'. I put it by the door at night, then put it away for the day. Poor pup is constantly getting told to "get out of my way" in the mornings

There are some folks on here who love their FB's for the bath and the bedroom, and are fine with the dinette, so obviously it's very personal like with anything. I moved from a 19 corner bed to the 23FB, but really went with the front bed because only because the deal was too good to pass up. The 23 Corner Bed has the efficient floor plan of the 19, but with the luxury of the 66 inches of sofa and floor space in front of it, more storage, bigger fridge than the 19, etc.

One other item I recently realized is that the 23 FB has a 30 gallon Grey tank, while the corner bed has 21 gallons, which is the same as the 19', while both 23s carry 39 gallons of fresh water and 18 of black water. So the extra grey capacity is nice--I guess it's the layout that allowed for a bigger tank. Nice upgrade but not a deal killer. The FB also has an insane amount of storage, including almost the entire area beneath the bed (which lifts up on gas struts), 2 bedroom closets, 2 bedroom drawers, and a total of six overhead lockers. Though the corner bed has a great deal of storage as well...just a little less I think, but that's just a guess from looking at then briefly recently.

I would recommend taking a good look at both and spending some time in each to get a feel for the layouts. Whether or not you have kids or pets might have a major impact on your decision as well.

Well, you asked so there ya go!


I think this sums it up nice, in terms of pros and cons of both models. Two very good options, depending on what is important to you.

I do wish the 23 corner had that larger grey tank, that seems to be the limiting factor for us, we have to manage water tight in terms of what goes down which drain.
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I do wish the 23 corner had that larger grey tank, that seems to be the limiting factor for us, we have to manage water tight in terms of what goes down which drain.
I am always looking for a 23D to maybe switch to, and was surprised to find the difference in grey tank size. I'm not sure I understand why that is, given that the bathrooms are in the back in both, and both live below the floor level, so the available real estate down there should be the same on both, and not limited by anything above the floor. I wonder if you looked under your trailer you'd discover you could add the larger tank, though it would require reworking the aluminum protective cover as well? It would be interesting to park the two models side by side and figure out why there's a difference between the two. It must have something to do with the galley being further forward in the 23D, vs the FB galley being adjacent to the bath.
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Note that the 23FB is 23' 9" long while the 23D is 23' long. The length difference could impact the gray tank size differential.

We added a flip up side table (made with a hickory work surface to match the replacement dinette top) )to our 2015 23D International Serenity which greatly expands kitchen work space. Replacing the stock stove with the Dometic CU-434 glass top stove added food preparation space. Also adding a scaled down from our 2014 Classic spice rack above the stove added some additional out of cabinet seasonings storage.
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Owners manual for Samsung Blu-Ray 2016

Hi everyone,
I just recently purchased my 2016 FC 23FB and I did not get the traveler pack with all the owners manuals for all the appliances that was installed in my FC. I've contacted Airstream and they have yet to get back to me and it's been months. I've pretty much got everything I need from downloading PDF's from the web. The only thing I'm having a hard time with is the Samsung Blu-ray player. Can anyone of you please tell me the model# of the exact type of Blu-ray player they install in the 2016's. I've search everywhere on the net and airforums and they make so many different models. I just want to know so I can download the owners manual on the Samsung site for future use. The only other way to find out is to pull the thing out of the cabinet and get the serial #. BTW I love my FC 23FB. It's the perfect size!
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