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Old 05-06-2017, 10:27 AM   #15
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I will add my two cents.

Up grades

Dexter lift Kit
Michelin 15: tires with Sendell wheels
Victron Mattery monitorBMV 702
PD 4655 converter up grade
wireless back up camera
Easy start from (micro Air)

I also have the magma marine cookware which is great.

Don't have any other items in mind at the present.

Fbastian mentioned replacing tanks for aluminum to reduce weight. Don't see the advantage here as there is very little tongue weight on this model.

Happy camping all. Dave
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Old 05-06-2017, 11:45 AM   #16
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Good things

Double sink
Double closets
Narrow frontal area

Bad things

Low ground clearance
Low ground clearance

Upgrades

Install the 15 inch wheels - Even AS corporate corrected the mistake
Progressive multistage converter - A mistake that AS does not correct?
Full size Queen mattress - requires a short frame extension & new lifts.

Potential changes .......

We really like the dinette. it works for a lot of things we regularly do in the coach. However we do not use it for a bed. It might be more functional if it was a pair of comfortable captain's chairs that swiveled. However, we use the storage under the existing dinette, the space between the seats and the seat next to the window. So a conversion just may never be implemented. New cushion foam like the firm ones in the new coaches is guaranteed to be the near term fix.

Storage solutions - everything we find that improves the organization of stuff is an ongoing consideration. We find work around approaches, but few real solutions. Betting this thread should flesh out some new concepts.

Wireless camera - we have one installed freestanding and will add a Voyager integrated installation at some point in time. Do not leave home without one.

Rear window cover - we want privacy for the bath area and will likely add a film or panel to cover the window.

Looking forward to your ideas. Pat
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:27 PM   #17
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Bathroom Storage

One thing I really dislike on the FB as compared to the corner bed/bath models is the lack of bathroom storage. The 23D and other corner baths have the sink outside the bathroom with TWO medicine cabinets above, the standard kind above the sink, and then another mirrored unit above that with a door that swings up. Both are very secure and have railings to hold everything in. With my 19 FC, I could load all the toiletries in these cabinets and have easy access to them.

With the 23 FB, there is under sink storage, and the little storage area next to the toilet with the sliding doors. Anything in either place needs to be in a storage container of some sort to keep everything secure. There is nowhere to 'unload' and set up toiletries securely and 'out of the way', and I dislike having stuff spread all over the countertop.

Anybody come up with a way to add some secure storage? I though about adding a medicine cabinet on the wall next to the toilet that backs up to the pantry. Just need to be careful because the vent stack is in that wall a well as wiring for the micro pulse and water heater controls.

I'm not a fan of getting suction cup types of shelves to stick on the walls. I'd like to find a solution that puts the stuff out of sight but held securely.
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:58 PM   #18
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We are able to get everything under the sink, and in the little slider area next to the toilet. I saw another post about an IKEA medicine cabinet that might go on the wall where the mirror is now, over the sink. Opening the door would provide the same mirror, but no angle adjustment.
I do wish we had a little exhaust fan in the bathroom. Usually pretty fogged up in there after a couple of hot showers. I guess I could use the fantastic fan right outside the door.. Have to open the bathroom window to do any good though.
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Old 05-06-2017, 01:09 PM   #19
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liked your upgrades and changes.
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Old 05-06-2017, 07:30 PM   #20
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Attachment 284916Attachment 284917we rarely use the dinette for dining, more for chilling out. Most of our eating happens outside on the picnic table.
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:03 PM   #21
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So, toiletries go in a ballistic nylon travel kit bag. Easy to carry and organizes everything. The soap and similar liquid products go in a bucket under the bathroom sink - double containment to prevent spills. Anything that goes in the shower is contained in a plastic box to protect the finish.

We don't generally have a problem with condensation in the bathroom since we always run the vent fans. After seeing the Fantastic Fan vent covers when we were at JC, we installed a pair. Lets the vents run when you need them with no rain sensor interruption. Future upgrade is to change the vent switches to bidirectional versions so the vents will blow in as well as bsuck out. Then we can boost ventilation by having each set opposite depending on where we want fresh air.

If the Fantastic Fans are not enough, we have O2cool, FD10006AU Smart Power Recharge Fans. They get used anywhere we need more ventilation and provide a quiet but steady drone for canceling out night time noise so we can sleep. They run on 110v, internal rechargeable batteries and disposable batteries, which are all available as required. Got a USB port too.

The double sinks get packed for travel. The oven is storing light weight soft items like aluminum foil pans, plastic glasses and paper plates. Easy to remove when the muffin assembly line is in operation.

We made a padded bag to protect the microwave plate. It goes in between hanging clothes in the small closet to protect it a bit more when traveling. There is also a foam and cardboard wine shipping box tucked behind the door in that closet. Wine is more important than clothes, right?

Travel safe - those dump valves are low - and go for it. There are smiles out there to find. Pat
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:28 PM   #22
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Pictures -

Top Left is the beginning of the Million dollar highway - 550 South out of Montrose to Durango - this is just below Ouray where the tight and twisty section starts. Perfect for a 23 rig.

Top Right is HW 50, a much better route than I80 if you are into new routes. If you look way in the distance you can see the wind mills making volts, or maybe not.

Bottom Left is the Ely NV KOA. Sometimes you get surrounded by the SOBs. But we had AS backup in the row behind and another a few spaces to the Right. Everyone had a story. It was a very sociable group. We learned a lot about the Balloon Fiesta that night and the seed was planted.

Bottom Right is Morefield campground in Mesa Verde. The neighbors came to visit on a daily basis. Yes, the people were nice too.

Travel is great. We need to get back out there. Pat
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Old 05-08-2017, 08:56 AM   #23
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Fbastian mentioned replacing tanks for aluminum to reduce weight. Don't see the advantage here as there is very little tongue weight on this model.

Happy camping all. Dave[/QUOTE]

I replaced the steel tanks with aluminum to offset the added weight of the 6-volt LifeLine batteries. I weighed the axles on our Tundra and trailer and was shocked to learn I was 400 pounds over the GVWR. So I am very conscious of weight. I have tried to mitigate the overage by installing load range E tires and rear spring helpers, but it does not alter the fact that I am over, which is why we are starting to consider an F250. The Tundra has been a great vehicle, but as I have found out, it is still a light truck and has limitations, even with a 23FB.

The intent of this post is not to start another discussion on axle weights; just wanted to comment on the weight concerns and the background on switching to aluminum tanks.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:15 AM   #24
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Interesting about your Tundra. I've seen where guys are pulling a lot bigger trailers than 23FBs with Tundras. I've never even bothered to weigh mine. What year is your Tundra? No way do I want a 3/4 ton truck. I've toyed with the idea of switching to a 25FB, thinking I could still pull with the Tundra. How much do those batteries weigh?
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:25 AM   #25
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Following are the weights I am looking at:

Axle Gross Axle Weight per sticker Actual weight port of entry

Front 4000 3350
Rear 4150 4300

Gross Vehicle Weight 7200 7650

This shows that the vehicle is overloaded by 450 pounds. Note that the published GVW is less than the combined front and rear axle weight ratings.

23FB weight 6000 5200

Trailer was 800 below its GVW.

Conditions:
  • myself
  • 1-wife
  • 1-50lb dog
  • full fuel
  • Snugtop topper
  • 2-LaFuma folding chairs
  • campfire in a can
  • Weber BBQ
  • 18-gal waste tote
  • small tool box
  • Fastway wheel chocks
  • Renology 100w portable solar panel
  • Trailer was packed for a trip, with empty waste tanks and about 10 gallons of fresh water, full propane tanks.
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:45 AM   #26
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Certainly does not sound like you have an excessive load out.

Looks like 4000+4150=8150 gross for TV and loaded it is 3350+4300=7650, which is an extra 150 on the rear and lots of room on the front. Am I confusing the numbers or is there a typo in the post?

Also, do you have unhitched TV and coach weights? Does the 5200 for the trailer include the tongue weight and what is that portion? Pat
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:26 AM   #27
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The truck GVWR is not merely the front GAWR and the rear GAWR added together. There are other factors that can reduce that number, brakes, suspension, etc.

In this case his front GAWR of 4000 and rear GAWR of 4150 does not give his truck a GVWR of 8150. The truck has a GVWR of 7200.
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:44 PM   #28
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Our Tundra is a CrewMax and the door sticker post a payload of 1295 lbs.

I think this just gets used up quickly, when adding on step bars, topper, camping gear, hitch and weight distribution, etc.

I do need to weigh the front and rear axles without the trailer and see where I am at, but I don't think it will change the fact that I am over the gross vehicle weight. I may be able to adjust the hitch and transfer some of the rear weight to the front axle, but again, it does not increase the GVW.

Which is why we are looking at an F250 gas, with 2931 lbs of payload. As the saying goes "better to have a suit too large than too small".

We love our Tundra, but I don't want to feel like we can't bring what we want on our trips. I don't feel like I can bring the generator along with the numbers we have currently.
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