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Old 08-15-2019, 05:05 PM   #1415
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You might just have to figure out how to have that bottle around but not within your wife's field of vision. It fits nicely out of view in the corner of the shower :-)
Unless it's the middle of the night, I often just wander off for a brief "stroll" in the woods. For some reason, though, I can't convince her that's a great option!
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:18 PM   #1416
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Unless it's the middle of the night, I often just wander off for a brief "stroll" in the woods. For some reason, though, I can't convince her that's a great option!
Me too...I just use my portable urinal at night, maybe first thing in the morning. And also when dry camping in a non-hookup campground. I stealthily empty it in the pit toilets under the cover of darkness. Really don't want to carry that clear water bottle through the campground during daylight
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Old 08-16-2019, 04:02 AM   #1417
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The deals is you have to conserve... you are not home with an endless supply of water and no limit what goes down the drain. If your camping with children it’s harder, you can’t assume they know how to or will conserve.

However, using the best practices, when there is no way to get rid of gray in a responsible manner (enough said), black tank would fill first for me, most of which is water used to flush. By myself it isn’t an issue, so a large mouth plastic jar (mentioned) is at the ready.

Captured cold water prior to the arrival of hot in the shower, is an easy way to reduce fresh water by using that to flush the toilet with. A bucket is too messy, so again, a couple of quart wide mouth jars with lids does the trick. Yes, mark them so you don’t mix them up.

If your ever totally fill your black tank and nature calls, what would you do? I suggest a 5 gallon drywall bucket prestaged with lid on. Maybe you would never need it but I have. It can hold the bags needed (doubled up when used), the rim pad (pipe insulation works great) and toilet paper. Keep it in the TV.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:56 AM   #1418
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Liquid in the black tank tank is necessary so one does not create a "mountain" that becomes immobile.
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:30 AM   #1419
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Jack Plate

Bolted a 1/4" steel L-plate to the frame to use as a hard point to place a jack between the tires to lift the trailer. The metal on the frame was just too thin to accept the pressure of a jack. I placed another one forward to use for a safety jack point. I also use the points on the frame fore and aft to place additional safety jacks.
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:18 AM   #1420
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In our experience, with some care, it is not the black tank that you have to worry about, it is the grey water tank that fills up the quickest. So - no inside showers and little dishwashing preserves much space. The experience becomes much like tent camping, without the tent. If you are boondocking and treat the experience like tent camping, which may include the use of a solar shower or wet wipes (Hoo-Ahhs or Buy Buy Baby wet wipes are my personal favorite) , disposable plates and cups, and washing cooking pots outside in bins (as we used to do), then both grey water and black water tanks should be good for 5-7 days with 2 people. We love our 23FB, but tank space awareness is always necessary when not hooking up for more than a day or two. If you pay attention to what you are putting in, it is manageable.
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:12 PM   #1421
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In our experience, with some care, it is not the black tank that you have to worry about, it is the grey water tank that fills up the quickest. So - no inside showers and little dishwashing preserves much space. The experience becomes much like tent camping, without the tent. If you are boondocking and treat the experience like tent camping, which may include the use of a solar shower or wet wipes (Hoo-Ahhs or Buy Buy Baby wet wipes are my personal favorite) , disposable plates and cups, and washing cooking pots outside in bins (as we used to do), then both grey water and black water tanks should be good for 5-7 days with 2 people. We love our 23FB, but tank space awareness is always necessary when not hooking up for more than a day or two. If you pay attention to what you are putting in, it is manageable.
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Old 08-19-2019, 01:54 PM   #1422
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Sharing my Mods

Helloó I thought Iíd share some modifications Iíve made to our 2017 23FB. I originally posted this to the general Flying Cloud forum and was suggested that it go here.

This is our first airstream. We are not retired so it hasnít got a lot of use yet, but that hasnít stopped us from realizing that some things needed to be changed.

We bought this model of AS because it fit our budget and, at the time, we thought a key feature is the walk around queen sized bed.

Itís just the two of us and a large dog and we spend a lot of time outside. Most of our camping is in SoCal so that is easy and very enjoyable.

Iíve done a few things such as upgraded batteries, solar, etc. but this is just about sharing a couple comfort mods inside.

The first was to change the dinette table. The original was too wide in one direction and not wide enough in the other. Keep in mind that itís just two of us. I removed the old table and removed the backrest up against the window. I resized the table so there is more room for my growing stomach and the table goes all the way to the window. This is working great for us.

The other mod Iíll share is the bed. The size of the bed is good but calling it a walk around bed is a stretch. If you own one you know what I mean. The storage underneath is good but too inconvenient to get to. I imagine itís okay for those on super long trips. We donít have the time yet for that.

The problems that we experienced included 1. that the bedroom had nice windows for viewing but we were in there only when we retired for the night. 2. The person (wife) sleeping to the front had difficulty getting in and out without bumping head on cabinet above or disturbing other person (me) in bed. 3. The dog (90 lbs) didnít have a place to sleep without us having to step over in the dark at night.

We agonized over this for some time before I suggested that the AS be converted to a twin setup or what we call the Rickie and Lucy version. This will only work for the 23FB if you are shortóat least one of you. Iím 5í7Ē and she is 5í5Ē. I removed the queen bed and frame and built two twins on opposite sides. I had mattresses custom made to fit. We now have a bedroom that has a center aisle where the dog sleeps at night. In addition the bedroom now has become a nice lounge during the day or evening for taking in the views.

Thanks and Iím eager to hear your thoughts and what you have done to make your AS home.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:13 PM   #1423
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Added 2 more fans to the refrigerator to suck the heat from the top coils.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:54 PM   #1424
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Coyotetrack- would you mind posting a picture or two of your sleeping area. I’m interested in your twin conversion. We’re also not too tall and am interested in how you modified the bed for the shorter length and what you are doing about under bed storage. Much thanks, Cameron
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Bolted a 1/4" steel L-plate to the frame to use as a hard point to place a jack between the tires to lift the trailer. The metal on the frame was just too thin to accept the pressure of a jack. I placed another one forward to use for a safety jack point. I also use the points on the frame fore and aft to place additional safety jacks.
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Flip you centramatics around so that the ring faces out. It will allow for better cooling of your brake drums.
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:08 PM   #1426
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Flip you centramatics around so that the ring faces out. It will allow for better cooling of your brake drums.
Hi GMFL,

I wondered about this, as a matter of fact. Not only for cooling, which I did not consider but is a good observation, but also that the wheel seems like it would make better contact with the hub since the Centramatic seems bow out. However, I had read on an older post that Andy from Inland RV said to point the ring towards the hub.

Thanks for the note. I will turn around before putting the wheels back on.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:49 AM   #1427
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It isn't the end of the world to cut down the wardrobe and in fact, it then gives you 84" for the 34 x 78 or 80 mattress and drawers that can be used for a nightstand. Something unforeseen is that the WH required building up the platform on that side out of necessity and the other side to match. Mattress Insider 34 x 78 (pocket coil) are on the way. Also showing the finished nightstand cabinet with those drawers that were part of the original wardrobe "bottom". Kinda wish I have built my own drawers because these are heavy. 3/4" particleboard, but work well. While bed was out, I put down new flooring and also showing what the jack knife sofa looks like with "arms" which add a layer of safety to someone from being caught in the mechanism. I could see a potential for injury. Under the sofa is the subwoofer and a place on the end, boxed in, for shoes.
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Added 2 more fans to the refrigerator to suck the heat from the top coils.
So you now have three fans cooling the fridge?
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