The 23D thread

[pcskier]

Originally Posted by weirdstuff

Can anyone tell me what this water leak might be? The drip is coming from above the metal plate to the right of where it says "jack", and dripping onto the black tank pipe (you can see the dark drip marks on the pipe, and the wet area on ground below).

It is very slow, intermittent, and it is clear, clean water (caught some on paper towel...colorless and odorless). Can sometimes go days without seeing evidence of a leak.

We haven't found any evidence of a leak anywhere else, inside or outside, and no evidence of losing water from the toilet or anywhere.

Remove the four screws from the angled aluminum cover to the right of the toilet that conceals the black tank vent that goes in to the wall, and remove it. There are some PEX fittings there leading to the supply line that comes out of that cover at the bottom, and to your toilet valve. There could be a bad connection somewhere in there, and water would drip right down in to the belly pretty much where your leak is revealing itself. My first suspect, based on the location of that leak. Hooking up to city water for maximum pressure might help find the leak.

If not there, could be shower plumbing such as a connection on the back of the shower control handle, or somewhere back there. Water could be dripping down into pan and then traveling to the leak location. Little more involved to check that, from removing the shower faucet cover, to possibly needing to remove the wall section between shower and toilet to see all the fittings back there. Hopefully suspect #1 above will be the problem.

Best guesses I have right now based on your pic.

[GMFL]

What pcskier said. Prob going to be one of those pex fittings beside toilet. Also check around the water pump area and under the bath sink.

[uraljohn]

Originally Posted by RFP

So, all of us have our own "camping style" ... an order to things and a rhythm of activity that is unique to our own families. Linda and I love being cozied up in the front dinette area with our morning coffee/tea (I'm the "tea" person), watching the hummingbirds, whatever. That being the case, we thought it a good idea to have a couple of upholstered bolsters made to fit right up against the front wall... providing a comfy place to lean, or even a comfortable arm rest. So we did... made out of super-good high-resiliency foam and upholstered with marine vinyl. OK, so the color doesn't match the UltraLeather, but it's pretty close to curtain color and, being marine vinyl, it is easily cleaned and very durable. They are a full 5" think, so they keep us from leaning against the [most uncomfortable] curtain tracks/hardware. I think we are really going to like these "little things" (assuming we actually get back "on the road" )

I ran this idea past DW couple of weeks back. She said no. I showed her yours and she said "why didn't you think of that?"!! So, after we get back from our 2/3 week trip (leaving Sunday 6/10/2018 early A.M.) I will head to the local shop to have them made up. Thank you for great pic to convince DW.

[weirdstuff]

Originally Posted by pcskier

Remove the four screws from the angled aluminum cover to the right of the toilet that conceals the black tank vent that goes in to the wall, and remove it. There are some PEX fittings there leading to the supply line that comes out of that cover at the bottom, and to your toilet valve. There could be a bad connection somewhere in there, and water would drip right down in to the belly pretty much where your leak is revealing itself. My first suspect, based on the location of that leak. Hooking up to city water for maximum pressure might help find the leak.

If not there, could be shower plumbing such as a connection on the back of the shower control handle, or somewhere back there. Water could be dripping down into pan and then traveling to the leak location. Little more involved to check that, from removing the shower faucet cover, to possibly needing to remove the wall section between shower and toilet to see all the fittings back there. Hopefully suspect #1 above will be the problem.

Best guesses I have right now based on your pic.

Originally Posted by GMFL

What pcskier said. Prob going to be one of those pex fittings beside toilet. Also check around the water pump area and under the bath sink.

Thanks. Will try removing that aluminum cover first. Will let you know what happens.

[RFP]

Originally Posted by weirdstuff

< snip > It is very slow, intermittent, and it is clear, clean water (caught some on paper towel...colorless and odorless). Can sometimes go days without seeing evidence of a leak.
< snip >

Another thing to look at is the back side of the water inlet (you know, the thingy you hook up to 'campground water'). There have been reports of slow leaks because the four screws on the back of that inlet fitting being loose. You can see it (if you really try) by looking under the vanity sink.

One resource for looking around in those super-tight places is your smart phone. Switch it to 'video,' reach it in and move it all around (slowly), being sure to get views of the pipes, fittings, walls (look for water droplets or 'trails'), you can even see the floor.

The vacuum break device on the black tank flush is a known problem area... have you been using your black tank flush?

[RFP]

Originally Posted by uraljohn

I ran this idea past DW couple of weeks back. She said no. I showed her yours and she said "why didn't you think of that?"!! So, after we get back from our 2/3 week trip (leaving Sunday 6/10/2018 early A.M.) I will head to the local shop to have them made up. Thank you for great pic to convince DW.

Be sure to get quality foam. I bought my foam cut-to-size here: http://www.foamonline.com/el_wedge.p...dd5e5c9e3622ba

And I used the high resiliency foam: http://www.foamonline.com/types.php?cartID= Scroll down to the 4th type described.

We found five inches thick to be perfect... we often lay back against the bolsters for TV watching (or "cat napping!")

[weirdstuff]

Originally Posted by RFP

Another thing to look at is the back side of the water inlet (you know, the thingy you hook up to 'campground water'). There have been reports of slow leaks because the four screws on the back of that inlet fitting being loose. You can see it (if you really try) by looking under the vanity sink.

One resource for looking around in those super-tight places is your smart phone. Switch it to 'video,' reach it in and move it all around (slowly), being sure to get views of the pipes, fittings, walls (look for water droplets or 'trails'), you can even see the floor.

The vacuum break device on the black tank flush is a known problem area... have you been using your black tank flush?

Ahhh....ok...will check these areas as well. And yes, we do use black tank flush as often as possible.

I ran my hand along pipes, etc under vanity sink, and didn't feel anything wet.

Will do investigating tomorrow morning. Cooking dinner now.

[pkm123]

Originally Posted by GMFL

I have and they work very well

Thanks again. Mine came today. Is there a trick to getting them to align up on install or is it a educated guess?

[Troutboy]

I loosen the female as much as can be done without losing springs. Attach female where you want it. Then I put two sided tape on the male side. I stick it in the female side. Then close the door and it sticks to the door. I then drill it in place.

Works every time

[GMFL]

👆
What Rich said.

[RFP]

Originally Posted by Troutboy

< snip > I must say though with your attention to detail, I though for sure you would have tracked down the greatest place to get the exact match ultra leather at a fair deal! < snip >

It's funny, but a lot more thought, and conversation, went into what upholstery to use than any other aspect of this tiny project... even multiple trips to fabric stores and on-line perusal. We found multiple sources for 'matching' UltraLeather, all at essentially the same price. But even after all this, we decided on the 'vanilla' (color) marine vinyl. We've used it before and really like its look and robustness. So, given the excellent 'match' with the curtain color, we took the vinyl and the foam (cut to size) to an auto/boat upholstery guy we have used before, and a few days later: ta da!

[Fred L]

So timely Rob. i think i have my MaxxAir fan power supply finally figured out after several days sitting in the trailer, and a few glasses of scotch, while staring at the ceiling....
So hoping that mod will be done soon, will post pics.

Next project of mine will be new cushions and upholstery. Thinking a taupe sunbrella farbric, like a houndstooth, tweed, or similar, but love the look of the leatherette.

But we have two english setters who love the AS as much as we do and the second the door opens theyre in there and up on the couch.
That. and I cant stand sticking to the seat when wearing shorts. If my concerns of dogs scratching the leather or my legs sticking to it are for naught, it moves to the top of my list !!

But to your point, i measured our cushions and they appear to be 4 inch. Was also thinking 5 inch, but since that is also a bed for me, the seat and backs need to be the same density (was originally thinking firm on the seats and med on the backs).

I need to consider comfort while sitting, but then need to consider same for sleeping, but with a 1.5in foam pad on top. Thinking firm. Or maybe med-firm? Any guidiance ?

Originally Posted by RFP

Be sure to get quality foam. I bought my foam cut-to-size here: http://www.foamonline.com/el_wedge.p...dd5e5c9e3622ba

And I used the high resiliency foam: http://www.foamonline.com/types.php?cartID= Scroll down to the 4th type described.

We found five inches thick to be perfect... we often lay back against the bolsters for TV watching (or "cat napping!")

[Fred L]

I think we need our own search tool for the 23D thread....
Seem to recall someone, probably Rich posting the colors for the oak finish and the sku for the wilson art laminate.
Somehow I am recalling Golden Oak, but am also thinking that it could have been a pickle type of finish.

Does anyone recall the answer or link to the post. I tried several searches and most relate to the older trailers being refurbished.
Will be removing the existing fabric covering the woodwork on our couch and replacing with oak and lamintate. Also need the stain color process for my wiring of the fan, will explain that when I post the way I am accessing power. Thanks.

[Troutboy]

Fred, I think it’s gold alchemy. I can check tomorrow and repost. I agree that this thread is awesome, but then you have to go back and search which is hard...... I still like the google search, I’ll try that before I go to bed.

Okay found it:

[pkm123]

Originally Posted by Troutboy

I loosen the female as much as can be done without losing springs. Attach female where you want it. Then I put two sided tape on the male side. I stick it in the female side. Then close the door and it sticks to the door. I then drill it in place.

Works every time

Brilliant!
Thanks,
Ken
PS: we will have to talk fishing sometime.

[RFP]

Originally Posted by Fred L

I think we need our own search tool for the 23D thread....
< snip >

We can do that... look up top right next to the "thread tools" button, you should see a "search this thread" button. Works good... at least on my PC.

[RFP]

Originally Posted by Fred L

< snip >

I need to consider comfort while sitting, but then need to consider same for sleeping, but with a 1.5in foam pad on top. Thinking firm. Or maybe med-firm? Any guidiance ?

Nope, no guidance from this guy... I think we all have different preferences for firmness (or, lack thereof), and we use our trailers differently. It seems to me that foam selection is more art than science.

For what it's worth, the newer Airstreams use significantly firmer foam than as is in our 2014. I like that, and am considering changing the seat bottom cushion foam in the two cushions that are the seating at the dinette table. I sleep on the up-front lounge, so the original [softer] foam under what's-left-of-my upper body would be good, and my scrawny legs wouldn't mind the firmer feel under them at all. Just thinking about that ...

[GMFL]

Adding some custom Mud Flaps today. Hope it helps keep grime off my dump valves.
Here’s a link to the Thread
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f465...ml#post2113655

[RFP]

Originally Posted by GMFL

Adding some custom Mud Flaps today. Hope it helps keep grime off my dump valves.
Here’s a link to the Thread
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f465...ml#post2113655

Yay, another "project!"

Seriously, well done, I'm so glad that you keep thinking of this kind of stuff

[GMFL]

Originally Posted by RFP

Yay, another "project!"

Seriously, well done, I'm so glad that you keep thinking of this kind of stuff

Now I just need you to prefect it and we will all be good.