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Old 11-06-2018, 02:24 PM   #2689
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Hello folks! Gabriel here. I am new to Airstream, and indeed to RV'ing in general. But I have narrowed down what I am looking for to the Flying Cloud 23D/CB or a Safari SE 23. I have read this entire thread with great interest. A few observations:

1. There are some folks here with amazing skills and tools
2. I love the enthusiasm everyone that owns one of these RVs shows
3. I am dismayed to see so many Airstream design errors and sloppy implementation
4. I am fascinated by the ingenuity, know-how, and tenacity shown by many folks here to overcome the aforementioned errors...

Gabriel
Gabriel,

Welcome to the Clubhouse, it's good to have you!

I think of this thread as the best on the Forum... lots of really great people, creative and skillful, I learn something here every day.

As for Airstream's quality, as sketchy as it can be sometimes, the Airstream still stands tall among all the other travel trailers.... some (most?) of them are truly awful.

Again, welcome, visit often and let us know how the search is going.

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Old 11-06-2018, 02:51 PM   #2690
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I took a different approach to "looking at the plumbing under the vanity" project.

I removed the crummy little stapled-on rear panel, installed three (right, left, and bottom) angles and then I built a sturdier rear panel which is held in place with a screw into each of the 3 angles (clear as mud, huh?).

Now, I can quickly remove the rear panel and look around under there... reach under there too.

RFP, Troutboy and GMFL Thanks for the info. When I get the time to pull the vanity, I'll decide which way to go. Maybe both make the plexiglass removable. Nothing is wrong but why not take out the vanity out mainly to see what's under there and look for anything out of the ordinary. I figure if something goes wrong I might understand how to fix.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:18 PM   #2691
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RFP, Troutboy and GMFL Thanks for the info. When I get the time to pull the vanity, I'll decide which way to go. Maybe both make the plexiglass removable. Nothing is wrong but why not take out the vanity out mainly to see what's under there and look for anything out of the ordinary. I figure if something goes wrong I might understand how to fix.
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Please understand that I'm truly impressed by the guys that completely removed the vanity to do this little project. But, since I had already replaced the crummy little vacuum breaker (plastic, and problem-prone) with a brass elbow, I already knew that I could work well enough through the vanity once that little stapled-on panel was removed... I figured I could work on other stuff probably just as well. Also, being able to pop off that laminated panel on the very bottom gives plenty of visibility for me.

Oh, and lazy, too.
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Hello folks! Gabriel here. I am new to Airstream, and indeed to RV'ing in general. But I have narrowed down what I am looking for to the Flying Cloud 23D/CB or a Safari SE 23. I have read this entire thread with great interest. A few observations:

1. There are some folks here with amazing skills and tools
2. I love the enthusiasm everyone that owns one of these RVs shows
3. I am dismayed to see so many Airstream design errors and sloppy implementation
4. I am fascinated by the ingenuity, know-how, and tenacity shown by many folks here to overcome the aforementioned errors...

Gabriel
Gabriel,
Just go ahead a jump on in the water is fine.
Although there are many things Airstream could do better, they are still a very good unit. Most of the problems are easily fixed and for the most part it allows you to learn about your unit while fixing them.
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Old 11-06-2018, 08:52 PM   #2693
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Hey all,
Thought I would drop a note and say it is still nice to be with you!
Last Friday just outside Roswell NM an oncoming car pulled out to pass another car ~ only problem was we were there! Had maybe 1 second to hit the ditch or hit her head on, ditch seemed the better option. Both rolled multiple times. We walked away, Carole has a fractured sternum and we are both very sore.
Already working on replacing the Airstream and tow vehicle then start over on upgrades and mods AHHH the fun never ends!

A thread was started a while back on fav mods so I thought a list of ones I will do again would be a good add to it. Here are a few
solid lug nuts - TPMS - stainless folding cup holders in the bedroom area - Robs famous extra drawer slides and worktop mod for the pantry - spice racks by stove - small folding shelf under the tv - oxygenic shower head - plus hanging hooks, additional towel rack and I am sure a bunch more!!

Remember to watch out for the other drivers, if they can miss an Armada pulling an Airstream they are just not looking!!

David and Carole
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David, that is truly awful! Glad that you and Carole are largely unscathed.

Rob and Ronnie, thank you for the welcome and comments. Regarding the comment about quality, I agree Airstream are by far the best ones in the US. But as I was researching which one to get I came across several European manufacturers who make trailers as good or better than Airstream in terms of functionality, design and finish, and they cost half the amount. But they are on the other side of the Atlantic...

The thing that puzzles me is how RV manufacturers take such a different approach to quality control than car manufacturers, for example. When you buy a Mercedes Benz you also pay a huge amount of money, but those things are built like tanks. You would never find things like dashboards mounted as flmsily as the Airstream microwaves, or duct holes not drilled properly like the one for the tank heating that some here reported almost fully obstructed. Oh well, it is what it is.

Ronnie, one question for you. In that massive tongue lock you built, how do you prevent road grime from entering the lock from below?
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:38 AM   #2695
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David and Carole, very glad that you both are as okay as could be after that experience!

Welcome to Leirbug, we love our 23D. Perhaps it is a personality thing, in that we love the design and the functionality for the types of things that we wish to do with our unit. When I stepped into a few other models there was no comparison at the time.
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Old 11-07-2018, 05:24 AM   #2696
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David and Carol so glad your both gonna be ok. This could have been much worse! I'm glad you gonna get back into streaming...life is too short.

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Old 11-07-2018, 05:50 AM   #2697
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Hey all,
Thought I would drop a note and say it is still nice to be with you!
Last Friday just outside Roswell NM an oncoming car pulled out to pass another car ~ only problem was we were there! Had maybe 1 second to hit the ditch or hit her head on, ditch seemed the better option. Both rolled multiple times. We walked away, Carole has a fractured sternum and we are both very sore.
Already working on replacing the Airstream and tow vehicle then start over on upgrades and mods AHHH the fun never ends!

A thread was started a while back on fav mods so I thought a list of ones I will do again would be a good add to it. Here are a few
solid lug nuts - TPMS - stainless folding cup holders in the bedroom area - Robs famous extra drawer slides and worktop mod for the pantry - spice racks by stove - small folding shelf under the tv - oxygenic shower head - plus hanging hooks, additional towel rack and I am sure a bunch more!!

Remember to watch out for the other drivers, if they can miss an Armada pulling an Airstream they are just not looking!!

David and Carole


So glad you guys are ok, we all dread this type thing happening to us, but even though it happened you walked away with just minor injuries.
Things could have been much different had you not chosen the ditch.
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Old 11-07-2018, 06:59 AM   #2698
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SO glad you were able to walk away!

At least YOU were paying attention.
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David and Carol,

I agree with others! It is very good news that for the most part you two are okay.

This is a poignant reminder that the open road can be a dangerous place, and it is significant that you chose a course of action in a matter a second or two to protect everyone. I wish you good fortune moving ahead.
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David and Carol,
Thank for sharing you experience. Glad you guys are OK. Also great to here you guys will be getting back in the game ASAP. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help.
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Old 11-07-2018, 09:21 PM   #2701
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David and Carol,
Wow! Sorry you have to deal with this, but so glad you are okay and that you will keep going. Appreciate you sharing so we can all learn. It just takes a second and someone elseís bad decision... glad your were paying attention and could react so fast.
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David and Carole,

Travel Trailers and Tow Vehicles can be replaced, but you and your wife are not replaceable. We're so glad that you are ok.

Events such as this give us reason to pause and remember what is important in life.

Wishing you and your wife a full and quick recovery.
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