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Old 01-28-2016, 05:46 PM   #1
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Seems like a wise move on Ford's part to include a half ton diesel. Ram has had a lot of success with the EcoDiesel and GM is offering a diesel in their smaller Colorado model. Begs the question if Chevy will do likewise. Especially since Nissan is also about to offer a diesel in a heavy half ton.
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Old 01-28-2016, 07:04 PM   #3
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Our primary concern for a 1/2 ton truck with diesel would be: available load capacity. If Ford put a diesel in their aluminum F150, that might be particularly interesting as could trade off lower body weight against a potentially heavier engine block, resulting in undiminished load capacity combined with diesel power. We'll be watching with interest to see what comes next.
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I just hope ford doesn't neuter the towing capabilities in favor of gas mileage the way ram did.
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If it follows their recent pattern Fords Diesel F150 will have more capacity and towing ability than the present Aluminum model with towing package. Ford is also coming out in 2017 with an all Aluminum body Super Duty line in gas and diesel. The diesel will be the present 6.7 but with more torque and horsepower and larger payload capacity than the present day Super Duty - both F250 and F350. I do not know about the larger trucks at this time.
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I just hope ford doesn't neuter the towing capabilities in favor of gas mileage the way ram did.
Could you explain what RAM did? My RAM Ecodiesel is rated to tow 8,700lbs. That is enough towing capacity to tow all Airstreams made except for a few 30' trailers.
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The transmission mapping is geared toward holding taller gears. And I'm not sure the suspension is up to the task of 10,000 lb towing. But 420 lb ft of torque certainly is. They could have made that truck a towing beast.
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The transmission mapping is geared toward holding taller gears. And I'm not sure the suspension is up to the task of 10,000 lb towing. But 420 lb ft of torque certainly is. They could have made that truck a towing beast.
I have not found the transmission programming to act that way when towing with the TOW/HAUL on. As a matter of fact, it holds a lower gear much longer than I think it needs to. The suspension, brakes and all the rest of the truck is the same as the HEMI powered RAM that is rated to tow 10,200lbs, so obviously RAM thinks the suspension is up to the task of towing 10,000lbs.
The limiting factor for the RAM EcoDiesel is heat. The absence of an engine driven fan and the location of the charge air cooler seem to be the biggest factors in the EcoDiesel's SAE J2807 tow rating. Although it may not be a "towing beast" it gets the job done pretty effortlessly and gets 25MPG on the highway when solo.
Hopefully the FORD diesel has a proper engine driven fan and places the CAC in a location that doesn't dump its heat into the radiator. I'd like to see an F-150 that gets 25 MPG on the highway, has 2,000lb payload and is rated to tow 11,000lbs.
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I'd like to see an F-150 that gets 25 MPG on the highway, has 2,000lb payload and is rated to tow 11,000lbs.
You can go to your local Ford dealer and just about see one now. 2016 Supercrew 3.5 Ecoboost with 3.55 (or 3.73) XLT will have all of those numbers except 23 mpg, so quite close.

I have little doubt that the new 3.5 coming out in the Raptor will bump that figure higher.

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Although it may not be a "towing beast" it gets the job done pretty effortlessly.
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. It's a nice truck and clearly a solid option for the 25' and under crowd. But I still think they could have upped the anti a bit so it could be used for larger trailers.

So as not to get this thread sidetracked from the OP, let's just say I'm looking forward to the new offerings over what is currently available. I'm already softly in the market for a new truck. If I "needed" a truck today, I'd get the 3.5 Ecoboost and call it a day. But I'm glad I have the luxury of waiting another year.
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I think if Ford uses a diesel in the F150 they will follow in the footsteps of Dodge/Ram and use a tweeked 3.2 inline 5 cyl diesel engine that is used in the Ford Transit van and go for the light payload and fuel mileage buyer. Typically a truck will have much less payload with a diesel engine - because of the weight of the engine. Compare the 3/4 ton payload gas/diesel versions and notice the big difference. A diesel can pull a trailer but you can't put nearly as much in the bed/tongue weight......
The half ton truck is still the best vehicle for 25' travel trailer and down however you slice it.

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I guess I should have specified a diesel F-150

When I talk about MPG, I speak of real world MPG. I know my truck is rated at 27 MPG highway, but that is the EPA test cycle figure. I don't/can't drive around Texas at 55 MPH without causing a traffic jam or inciting a road rage event. I can return 24 MPG on I-35 at 75 MPH and get 14 MPG towing at 65.
What can I say, I'm just a diesel truck fan.

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I don't think it will be the 5cyl. Most reports list the 3.0l diesel from the Range Rover.

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I think I am buying a new truck this fall. Waiting to see all the options that hit the market.

One thing though, I am curious to see if half-tons can up the gantlet. At the end of the day, they're more maneuverable and nimble then their 3/4 ton and 1 ton counterparts. Usually with shorter lengths and tighter turning radius.

For example, my Ram 1500 has a turning circle of 39.8 ft. That means I can make a u-turn in 19.9 ft or across two lanes without hitting the curb.

For comparison sake, the 2015 Ford F-150 and Chevy Silverado both have turning circles of 47ft!!

The Ram 2500 is 45.1 ft while the Ford F-250 is 53.4ft and Chevy Silverado 2500 is 50.4ft; so worse.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/compa...let-silverado/

So when you combine those factors with a shorter wheelbase you end up with a better daily driver IMO for someone who full times. The weak factor has always been payload and power.

So the real game changer is upping the payload factors I think more so than just power. All the half tons make enough power already, on paper and I think the big 3 have been playing the more power game for awhile, people are wise and now they need other ways to attract buyers.
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