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Old 08-23-2005, 11:41 PM   #15
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This is all I have. I counted the panels on the front and back and there was 15.
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This looks like my Liner, what do you think. Except that I have two doors.

Kevin,

15 not counting the two large panels on the bottom?

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Old 08-23-2005, 11:44 PM   #16
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I counted every panel including the large ones on the side. I thought that's how you counted? But then again, I am no expert! You know, this one does look like the one you have. I bet it's a 1954 like yours? I have a 28' 1962 ambasador (Non leaf spring), how do you think the 1954 would tow (leaf spring axel) compared to the 1962?
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Old 08-23-2005, 11:50 PM   #17
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Nope, you just count the segments that make up the curved portion above the 'waistline' of the trailer. Good looking trailer though...would love to see more!

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Old 08-23-2005, 11:59 PM   #18
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I counted every panel including the large ones on the side. I thought that's how you counted? But then again, I am no expert! You know, this one does look like the one you have. I bet it's a 1954 like yours? I have a 28' 1962 ambasador (Non leaf spring), how do you think the 1954 would tow (leaf spring axel) compared to the 1962?
Kevin,

I towed the Liner from Tampa to So Cal in July. No problems, but it did move around a little with semis passing. Hopefully that is because it was basically gutted and I was towing a 30' eggshell. I did replace the axles, but not the springs before towing. Spring replacement is next. No shocks on the Liner.

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Kevin,

I towed the Liner from Tampa to So Cal in July. No problems, but it did move around a little with semis passing. Hopefully that is because it was basically gutted and I was towing a 30' eggshell. I did replace the axles, but not the springs before towing. Spring replacement is next. No shocks on the Liner.

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By the way, I think I see an "0" on the identification plate. Also the trailer is 28' long.

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By the way, I think I see an "0" on the identification plate. Also the trailer is 28' long. Kevin
Kevin:

OK, that "O" prefix to the numerical serial number materially changes my identification of your trailer. "O 5020" is the 19th 1954 ["O"]hio built 30' Liner "Sovereign of the Road". 1954 Ohio 30' production began at s/n O 5002 and ended at s/n O 5042, for a total production run of 41 Ohio built 30' Liners.

Trailer length is measured from the front ball hitch to the rear bumper, so your trailer should measure around 30', give or take a foot or so. I imagine 28' is the length of the body only.

The longest trailers typically lagged the shorter trailers in incorporating new features, so the vertical front and rear ends are not surprising in this middle production 1954 30' Liner.

Congratulations on the purchase and successful recovery of a very fine looking vintage Airstream!
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OK, that "O" prefix to the numerical serial number materially changes my identification of your trailer. "O 5020" is the 19th 1954 ["O"]hio built 30' Liner "Sovereign of the Road". 1954 Ohio 30' production began at s/n O 5002 and ended at s/n O 5042, for a total production run of 41 Ohio built 30' Liners.

Trailer length is measured from the front ball hitch to the rear bumper, so your trailer should measure around 30', give or take a foot or so. I imagine 28' is the length of the body only.

The longest trailers typically lagged the shorter trailers in incorporating new features, so the vertical front and rear ends are not surprising in this middle production 1954 30' Liner.

Congratulations on the purchase and successful recovery of a very fine looking vintage Airstream!
Fred, got out the old tape again and the body is around 26' and the total length form toung to bumber is 28' 4'. I have a 20' tape measure and I need to go and get a longer one, I might be off 3 or 4 inches, but I can tell it is not even 29'. Do you think Airstream back in the 50's would round up over a foot to call it a 30' liner? I thought the americans did not do anything like that until the 1980's.

I will be sure to take a more accurate measurement when I get a longer tape.

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Fred, got out the old tape again and the body is around 26' and the total length form toung to bumber is 28' 4'. I have a 20' tape measure and I need to go and get a longer one, I might be off 3 or 4 inches, but I can tell it is not even 29'. Do you think Airstream back in the 50's would round up over a foot to call it a 30' liner? I thought the americans did not do anything like that until the 1980's. I will be sure to take a more accurate measurement when I get a longer tape. Kevin
Kevin:

I forgot your trailer had two flat ends, which makes it a 1954 29' Liner, not a 30' Liner that come later during the 1954 model year when the slope back end appeared on the longest trailers. I've dug deeper and found an image and some information on the 29' Liner:
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I forgot your trailer had two flat ends, which makes it a 1954 29' Liner, not a 30' Liner that come later during the 1954 model year when the slope back end appeared on the longest trailers. I've dug deeper and found an image and some information on the 29' Liner:
Fred, thanks for the info, I think you hit the nail right on the head! Looks just like what I have. Any idea how many were made? I bet you there are not many of 29' liners around? What do you think?
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Fred, thanks for the info, I think you hit the nail right on the head! Looks just like what I have. Any idea how many were made? I bet you there are not many of 29' liners around? What do you think?
Kevin: I agree there are not many 29' Liners around. As mentioned earlier, 1954 Ohio Liner production began at s/n O 5002 and ended at s/n O 5042, for a total production run of 41 Ohio built Liners. We know yours, O-5020, is a 29 footer, so about half were 29 footers instead of 30 footers, which may have been introduced later during the model year. Including Bill Kerfoot's double door 29' Liner s/n O-5006 and yours, we now know of at least 2 Ohio built 1954 29' Liners. California also built long Liners, so there may be a few more out there.

I just noticed the list of trailers underneath your avatar. You sure like'm long! What is the serial number of your 1950 Whirlwind?
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Kevin:

I forgot your trailer had two flat ends, which makes it a 1954 29' Liner, not a 30' Liner that come later during the 1954 model year when the slope back end appeared on the longest trailers. I've dug deeper and found an image and some information on the 29' Liner:
Fred and Kevin,

I have measured the inside of my Liner and the distance is 25' 11".

Fred, do you know when the change was made to the sloping ends? I guess that I have to change my signature to 29' Liner from 30' Liner.

Kevin, have you made it home yet?

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Fred and Kevin, I have measured the inside of my Liner and the distance is 25' 11". Fred, do you know when the change was made to the sloping ends? I guess that I have to change my signature to 29' Liner from 30' Liner. Kevin, have you made it home yet? Bill
Bill: I don't know when the change was made from a vertical to a sloping rear end, increasing 1954 Liner length from 29' to 30'. But it appears to have been made after Kevin's trailer s/n O-5020, which was very close to Ohio mid-production. Spotty observations suggest the longest trailers, which had low production numbers, retained superceded features for a greater period of time than the more popular and better selling mid length and shorter trailers.

We are fortunate to have beginning and ending serial numbers for some Airstream model years, obtained from industry publications. I have no idea whether Airstream even used engineering drawings to build trailers in the 1950s, where such detail might have been recorded. My uninformed guess would be that trailers were built from collective experience instead of "blue prints". Old internal serial number records, if they exist, might note a change in model length at a certain serial number, but I've never seen any such records.

The recent interest in and restoration of vintage Airstreams has created a thirst for engineering and production details that manufacturers and trailerites of the 1950's would have found astounding and wholly unexpected. Answers to many questions will have to be gathered and ascertained from field observations. We may be able to narrow in on the time of change when someone finds slightly later 1954 30' Liner with a sloped rear end and post its serial number. But I'm not holding my breath until then.
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Fred and Kevin,

I have measured the inside of my Liner and the distance is 25' 11".

Fred, do you know when the change was made to the sloping ends? I guess that I have to change my signature to 29' Liner from 30' Liner.

Kevin, have you made it home yet?

Bill
Yes Bill I have made it home, thanks for asking!

This is a list of everything that I did this weekend!
Friday
1) Drove to Las Vegas from LA
2) Removed 2000lbs of old crap from the liner into the trash dumpster. I think I might be conservative on the 2000lbs.
3) Rewired the plug. (All lights worked after I rewired the plug. Lucky!)
4) Sat in the Las Vegas DMV for three hours getting a moving permit! And I thought California was bad!
5) Drove trailer to tire place to get axles repacked!
6) Drove back from Las Vegas on Friday Night
Saturday
1) Rewired plug for a second time.( I did a quicky job in Vegas just to get on the road)
2) Went to AAA to get the trailer registered.
3) Went to bed. Only three hours sleep night before.
Sunday.
1) Replaced 5 broken windows.

Check out the view from the trailer location in Vegas. The big building in the back is the MGM Hotel! I guess it goes to show you if you keep looking hard you can find things where you least expect.
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