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Old 05-10-2007, 01:21 AM   #161
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I don't have this problem. I can see on my taillight housings where it appears the clearcoat has vanished but the metal is still umblemished.

I notice several differances between my trailer and yours John. First I only have the factory radio that we don't use. No T.V. or upgraded audio. Secondly as you know I don't wash the trailer. I don't know if these things matter or not. I'm just throwing it out.
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Old 05-10-2007, 02:55 AM   #162
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Corrosion

My 2003 has those white lines around almost every marker light and many areas near factory attached fixtures, ie: the exterior A/C power outlet, the telephone/cable tv interface etc. It looks like some kind of tool or scribe was used during manufacture to 'work' the silkaflex (sp?). But I also have a spot about the size of a quarter on the street side skin that has become bare. The same clear finger nail polish soluton was given me by Aistream. Doesn't sound like world-class quality to me.
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Old 05-11-2007, 11:08 AM   #163
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I called Paul Sherry, my dealer yesterday, and they were unaware of this problem. They did confirm that the rusting license plate light housing has always been a problem though.

I was directed to contacting AS directly.

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Old 05-11-2007, 12:04 PM   #164
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I've purchased 3 new A.S. trailers in as many years. The 05, 22CCD Had a terrible corrosion problem and leaked so badly that I never got to use it.
The 06, was the best of all ( fewest problems ).
The 07, 25CCD has already been treated once for corrosion at the factory. It's worse than ever now.
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Old 05-11-2007, 01:04 PM   #165
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Hi Dennis. Thanks for posting. Like you, I've had more than one. My first didn't have corrosion problems, but nearly everything else (minus leaks) was just not right about it. My current unit had a punch list 3 pages long. Airstream was great about fixing those items and replacing my cast tail lights and rims, but that is little comfort as I watch my outside shell, like yours, look like something out of a spider man movie. I have to say, it takes moxie to have one Airstream as bad as your first, move onto a second, with a better exp, back to yet a third and this.....

Keep 'em coming folks, I've lost count, but I will tally it up at some point. I've also noticed a thread or two that CanoeStream mentioned earlier in this thread that also have even more folks with this issue who haven't posted here, but also have the issue.

Jonathan, please let us know what headway you make with the factory. I may send another email to Mr. Schumann to see if I get any response, then I may call. I don't really know what I hope to accompish with it, other than documenting the issue has been brought up the food chain.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:29 PM   #166
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Did a quick inspection of the CCD the other day and found about 5 rivets that were 'filiformed' with the surrounding areas, maybe 5-10 millimeters in diameter. They wrere adjoining rivets on the street side front panel.

Add this to the 2 tail light bezels that were replaced AND the exterior handle at the entry door. That is REALLY bad, and I will be stripping AND re-clearing it after polishing.
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Old 05-12-2007, 11:44 PM   #167
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Silvertwinkie,

Don't waste your money at P&S. They do good work but, the clearcoat they are spraying is no better than new. My trailer was resprayed in 2002 and stored inside until I bought it. Has been stored outside since but, not in direct sun. Big waste of money, should have accepted the oxidation and kept my money in the bank.

I now would only consider taking it to the west coast and get it sprayed with aircraft epoxy paint.

Have you tried to contact the retired airstream employee who used to be incharge of spraying. I understand he is in Oregon? I think he might fill in a lot of reasons for current problems starting with the EPA.
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Old 05-13-2007, 06:27 AM   #168
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Funny you should mention paint, I was talking with janavera about that as an option, based on what we saw done on BigAl's Airstream. The paint job was so good, you'd hardly notice it was painted until you got really close to it. Thanks for the tip on stripping and re-clearing. It was a thought, but I have learned from many who have contacted me that it too is a temp solution. I can't seem to understand why Airstream shells are so hard to protect. I know the auto industry is not a good comparison, but how the hell do they keep their clears and finishes from doing this? How can they not have their rims and alum parts corrode this way, in some cases 6 months after rolling off the line? Seems to me that the engineer at Airstream tasked with materials research really needs to talk to some folks out in the field and really get crackin' on this one. It would seem to me, without trying to sensationalize this, that this is a MAJOR issue and this is just from folks that are here on this forum. Think of the folks that have yet to even find this forum that have a late 1999 to current model year. I think the issue is far more reaching than anyone at the factory or on this forum realized a few years back. I forget the production numbers, but if say Airstream builds roughly 1000 trailers a year, we have the potiential of about 8000 more or less trailers that can and may have their exterior finishes fail in what I consider, and others may agree, is premature (units say between 6 months and 5 years) failure. I don't think anyone feels these finishes would last forever, but I think most would agree that 5 years before major issues is reasonable, yet by luck of the draw, you're unit may or may not show the issue or if it does, it may show it different levels. I thought my unit was bad, but some of what I've seen on this thread alone, clearly shows me, I've got it not as bad as some......

I'd talk to just about anyone that could help find a way that either slow or stop the root cause of this (sanding and putting clear nail polish all over my Airstream is NOT a fix in my book), but I think we all have a fairly good idea what is causing the bulk of this and I think the basic theme here is disturbed coating during the manufac process since the lion's share of the corrosion on the body is at rivets or where trim or accessories were cut, punched, etc to the skin. The cast alum tail lights, rims, etc, could be a whole different cause, but my main concern personally is the body. That is the hardest fix with none of the current methods really all that great in terms of options.
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Looks like I have one very small spot just below the mid beltline trim on the street side. I forgot my camera so no picture. I'll have the trailer home next weekend so I can shoot the picture then. As midamrail noted another A/S stored at her location was built about 3 months after mine, and has serious problems in multiple locations all around the trailer including the beltline area. I'd be sick if that trailer was mine. In some cases the spots look much how rust pops the paint up on an auto finish.

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Old 05-22-2007, 05:31 PM   #170
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Holy Cow! Thirteen pages on corrosion!!
I thought my leaky leaky unit would be okay once they stopped up all the leaks! I have owned my Safari for 10 months, taken it out four times, had new leaks every rainfall...and now I have this to look forward to!!!
I bought an Airstream because of its reputation for quality...
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:03 PM   #171
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This is an eye awakening subject for me as I was thinking of selling my 77 Argosy and getting a 2001-2005 Airstream. In my opinion, the only thing that will stop the corrission is Corroson X. This process is used on aircraft and is approved by the FAA. It does stop corroson.

My wife and I were really looking forward to getting a newer Airstream but I am very concerned at this point.
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:27 PM   #172
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If I had a newer unit with this problem, I wouldn't be thinking about how I can address this issue I would get a class action suit going.

Each and everyone should write a letter to AS detailing their problems, I can see the lawyer asking the employees at AS did you ever or how many complaints did you recieve and how did you address them.

Someone should have a chat about this with a lawyer.
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Old 05-22-2007, 07:56 PM   #173
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Class action suits give the victims something like a $10 coupon for a bottle of clear fingernail polish to dab on the corrosion spot, while providing the attorneys about $5,000,000 in fees!

Seriously, I'd just like to find a solution that stops growth of the current corrosion, prevents new occurances, and perhaps even reduces the ugliness of the existing worm-tracks a bit.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:37 PM   #174
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For the corrision issue I would consider Corrosion X which is used on aircraft. It will stop corrison.

Now the corrison issue does cause me great concern because I have been thinking of upgrading to a late model Airstream. Currently I have a very nice 77 Argosy. Considering the price of Airstreams there should not be any issues. I don't know about trailers but when I look foran aircraft and I find a lot of corrision I just walk away.
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Old 05-23-2007, 08:32 AM   #175
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Exclamation I agree with most of Bob's direction - lets raise a ruckus!

"If I had a newer unit with this problem, I wouldn't be thinking about how I can address this issue I would get a class action suit going.

Each and everyone should write a letter to AS detailing their problems, I can see the lawyer asking the employees at AS did you ever or how many complaints did you recieve and how did you address them."

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I agree that a class action will result in a lot of paperwork, legal fees, and a small bottle of nail polish. However, the concept of every single new trailer owner sending a letter (not an email) with enclosed polaroids highlighting both the corrosion and leak issues (they both stem from poor QC and assembly procedures) might just wake up someone at AS to fire the line manager in charge of QC and implement some real changes.

I know the on-line cynics will poo poo this idea as a waste of time and the technical folks will keep suggesting different repair goop you can buy to self-mend but we are talking $40k+ recent purchases based on $$ efforts by industry giant Thor to market these trailers as the "rolls royce" of the RV world. I say again - Wally would not be happy with the poor quality rolling off his line.

Multiple trips to the dealership shortly after purchase and having to camp out in the parking lot to run a full systems test and personal QC (in lieu of this happening at the factory) when making such a large purchase is absolutely stupid and a waste of mosts valuable time. If you had to go through this process when buying even a $10k Kia, they would not sell a single car.

My AS dealership sales guy is a nice enough kid and the dealership is clean and well run - I do not however want to spend the rest of my life camped out in their lot waiting on repairs that should never have left the factory.

Lets pick a point of contact at both AS and parent Thor and get their names, title, and mailing addressses posted. Once that is accomplished, lets all agree to send a polite but firm letter with polaroids of every corrosion and leak issue along with copies of leak etc repair bills. We should also agree on the exact text of the cover letter subject line for consistency.

It is amazing what can be accomplished if you raise a ruckus! I have not even taken delivery of my new trailer but I am expecting these problems and will write my letter in advance.

In the City of Chicago if you want something fixed you have to document the problem and send it to your local alderman and the mayor's office. You then make a follow up call to both offices and watch the sparks fly. We all assume the Mayor is aware of neighborhood problems etc until you mail him pictures and then you realize he was not being kept informed from below (hmmm could it be CYA and job protection driven???).

Lets do the same here!
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Lets pick a point of contact at both AS and parent Thor and get their names, title, and mailing addressses posted. Once that is accomplished, lets all agree to send a polite but firm letter with polaroids of every corrosion and leak issue along with copies of leak etc repair bills. We should also agree on the exact text of the cover letter subject line for consistency.[/b]
That point of contact needs to be in the Quality Control department, Production, or Corporate Management. The service and tech support people are good guys, very helpful, and are working hard to fix the problems.

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Old 05-23-2007, 09:21 AM   #177
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This is a follow-up to my posts (38, 49, 122, and 135) on this thread, concerning the filliform corrosion on the rear beltline of my 2007 Safari, still under warranty. This corrosion is on the beltline edge of the rear end cap. See the picture in this post: http://www.airforums.com/forums/344413-post15.html

Plans are set, supplies are on the way and the treatment is about to begin. BTW: I’ve been working with two great guys at Airstream, Randy in Technical Support and Chris in Customer Service.

Airstream is sending me some ACF50, which I should receive early next week. The instructions are to scrape away any raised areas with nothing more than a credit card like plastic scraper, then apply the ACF50 with a Q-tip to the affected areas. “This should darken it, and seal it up to prevent further corrosion.” I’ll post some before and after pictures here when I get this done.

On October 1st we have an appointment at the factory service center in Jackson Center. We had been planning a three-week excursion around New England to see the fall color, so this is a re-route. We’ll now see the Airstream factory, then loop up through western Michigan for the color tour before heading back to Florida. More on these plans in another thread later.

At the factory, Airstream is going to install the Classic beltline trim to cover over the damaged areas. From what we have heard from 2air and others, this should look very nice. We’re planning on taking advantage of being at the mother ship and have them address the other minor warranty issues discussed on this thread http://www.airforums.com/forums/f396/new-trailer-problems-fixes-29179.html, give the trailer a check-up to include any annual maintenance items like wheel bearing servicing, and have a second Fantastic Fan installed in the bedroom area.

So far, I’m very happy with the way this is turning out for us, and we’re looking forward to the trip and factory visit.

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Old 05-27-2007, 11:04 AM   #178
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Add me to the list-I believe my CCD had corrosion on the tail lights the day I bought it. Hey I was so excited to get our first trailer it didn't register as a potential problem. Wheels and other areas show minimal filifor. I was wondering about all the 18 wheel Gas hauling trucks wit the mirror finish aluminum tanks -has anyone inspected them for filiform and what clear coat finish is used?
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When I bought my used (10 year old Excella) trailer I had a slight hesitation since it was painted. By the dealership when new by the way, but now that it is 13 years old and still not showing any filiform corrosion I have really grown to like the fact that it is painted. If I do get any corrosion it is hidden by the paint and won't show until the paint peels. Eric started this thread and he knows my trailer. He couldn't believe it was painted when he first saw it.
I wonder if you have any chance with legal action if the corrosion starts after the warrantee period is over?
Therefore it seems to me that all issues need to be documented and verified as they occur.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:12 PM   #180
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Add me to the list-I believe my CCD had corrosion on the tail lights the day I bought it. Hey I was so excited to get our first trailer it didn't register as a potential problem. Wheels and other areas show minimal filifor. I was wondering about all the 18 wheel Gas hauling trucks wit the mirror finish aluminum tanks -has anyone inspected them for filiform and what clear coat finish is used?
I believe those trucks are made of stainless steel, not aluminum.
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