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Old 04-23-2007, 05:35 PM   #99
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Kind of my point....for the first set to fail after 1.5 years old, then the second set to start failing about 2 years after that, I had hoped to get about 10 years before I saw this happening.

BTW, still no reponse from Airstream yet......

...and even if they did contact me, I'm not sure what Dave would be able to tell me. The fixes to date don't work long term. Short term fixes are just that and most likely it's out of warranty will come into play too. Who knows though, they may shock me and actually do something.
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Old 04-23-2007, 05:39 PM   #100
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BTW, any of you CCD owners have any on the inside? I know that my back splash so far doesn't have anything, but that's the only area I have outside of the front alum trim by the windows and the alum fridge inserts......
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:23 PM   #101
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:36 PM   #102
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Those of us without significant filiform corrosion (also known as underfilm corrosion) have been asked to reply. Well, our 2002 Bambi is pretty much without it. There is essentially nothing even where rocks have dinged the skin. The alloy wheels have started to have a touch of filiform, but nothing like the pictures people have posted.

What have we had? A bit of pealing at the door handle which touch-up clearcoat has stopped. There has been some non-filiform corrosion on the handle next to the door and on the refrigerator vent covers. On another thread I was thoroughly criticized for mentioning the fix for that type of corrosion, but here it is again: Gord's Polish applied with 0000 steel wool. Yes, you make sure no bits of steel wool are left hanging around afterwards to rust. Wax or Walbernize afterwards seems to help keep the problem from returning. Even if such parts were originally clearcoated, that non-filiform corrosion has removed it, so polishing is not going to do any harm where the clearcoat is gone.
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:36 PM   #103
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Hadn't thought about it 'till now.......guess I'll have to do the super slueth inspection when I next polish the beast!
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:40 PM   #104
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CorrosionX effects on sealent

I called Corrosion technologies in Texas which makes the CorrosionX product. Assuming I asked the right question will their product damage
Polyurethane sealent ? I was told verbally no. Only problems they have noticed was dealing with Butyl rubber. Everyone assumes their own risk by using these type products, but since another member posted a question in this regard I thought it was worth a call. I for one was already planning on using this even before this thread was started.

I might add that painting is not necessarily the answer. In light aircraft which I know something about the corrosion can form under the paint as well. So painting an airplane is considered more to be maintenance requirement where the interval is determined by climate and your pocket book.

It is disheartning to see this start so soon. Applying this product or others like it may seep into the same openings and stop it cold in its tracks.
Of course were assuming there was an opening to start with.
At least its worth a try. A 16oz can cost about $17 and you may be able to buy it at some local airports. That can should last last you for years unless you decide to take a bath in it.

I for one am going to use it on the seams and rivets let it set for a day walbernize and head for camping.

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Old 04-24-2007, 04:56 PM   #105
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Pappy, it's about all we can do. Worked with tech support for a few months with several weeks in between answers, and to datr have not heard back from Dave Schumann. I know for a fact that folks from the factory have seen this thread and it wouldn't shock me if Dave himself has seen this thread.

So here we all are, with our corroding Airstreams. Talk about being stuck with the check.......it's disappointing all around to say the least.

The hand made reply I've read so many times from the factory can just go only so far.......
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Old 04-24-2007, 05:17 PM   #106
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Me TOO!!

Corrosion on mine as well - replaced rear light bezels and it's now come back. Door handle to front door is really bad and now I'm seeing it in the wheels and all along the skin. This sucks...
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Old 04-24-2007, 05:47 PM   #107
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim A.
Those of us without significant filiform corrosion (also known as underfilm corrosion) have been asked to reply. Well, our 2002 Bambi is pretty much without it. There is essentially nothing even where rocks have dinged the skin. The alloy wheels have started to have a touch of filiform, but nothing like the pictures people have posted.

What have we had? A bit of pealing at the door handle which touch-up clearcoat has stopped. There has been some non-filiform corrosion on the handle next to the door and on the refrigerator vent covers. On another thread I was thoroughly criticized for mentioning the fix for that type of corrosion, but here it is again: Gord's Polish applied with 0000 steel wool. Yes, you make sure no bits of steel wool are left hanging around afterwards to rust. Wax or Walbernize afterwards seems to help keep the problem from returning. Even if such parts were originally clearcoated, that non-filiform corrosion has removed it, so polishing is not going to do any harm where the clearcoat is gone.
Tim,

You can get 0000 bronze wool that will not rust. There are also a number of steel wool substitutes that are basically woven products like Scotch Brite.

Still, NO RUST!
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Old 04-24-2007, 06:00 PM   #108
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I've had about 40 other issues with my 2004 Classic, but not this one yet.

The guys at the factory scratched the bejesus out of the aluminum during its manufacture, the plastic coating on my rub rail came off in a couple places last year, and several rivets slightly missed the hole when they were originally put in leaving gaps to let a bit of rain or sunshine in, I suppose, , but so far not this one. I feel somehow left out!

Oh, my trailer almost burned up last year due to loose wiring in my generator switch box (did the heat from the melting switch seal my plasticoat?), and I did have one "solid brass" towel rod rust completely through, if that counts? I only paid a few extra thousand dollars for this "brass" luxury item as part of the Limited option though. Do these count?

I store my trailer inside about 8 months of the year, and take it to MT and the NW US for the summer and fall. I'm a fanatic about keeping my trailer cleaned and waxed, and generally use either Mcguires or an aircraft product called Wash Wax (and sware at, not by, that wax stuff most Airstreamers seem to use).

Why other units and not mine?

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Old 04-25-2007, 06:47 AM   #109
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I've got to make a list at this point, now with 8 pages of posts, but I think we are now near 20 units responding that they in fact have some level of corrosion on their 1999-present Airstream. So far, on average, with around 20 units, say with an average price of $45k (knowing some are more, some are less), we have identified close to about $1,000,000.00 in hardware that has various levels of this issue. What'd be interesting is how this all plays out in lost value.

Keep 'em coming......
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:18 AM   #110
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Should have stuck with our vintage?

We just placed an order for a 2008 Safari to keep our 68' company. Our vintage unit of course has skin issues with the clearcoat mostly gone, white worms here and there, and a pitted door handle. All quite acceptable being it is older than my beautfiul bride. However, to think that I need to stock up on preventive maintenance supplies, finger nail polish, aircraft sprays, and a couple of extra bezels, handles, license plate frames, and rims before I take delivery is very alarming and expletive unacceptable.

Unfortunately, travel trailers and the RV industry in general do not fall under the same lemon laws and other government regulations that apply to automobiles. Trailers are considered manufactured homes on wheels and as such you are responsible for keeping your own house in order - I have read many many SOB magazine and RV journal articles about QC being sucky industry wide and many baby boomers looking forward to a retirement life of on-the-road leisure after sinking their life savings (and prior homes equity) into a $500,000+ Prevost Country Western Singer Tour bus only to find they are mostly travelling back and forth to the dealership and factory for major defects and unsafe QC problems. So much for visiting the grand kids.

I think we need to separate the issue into 2 areas (that both fall under Airstreams diligence and responsibility)
1. Parts manufactured by outside vendors - aka wheels, light bezels, door handles, etc and
2. The actual skin of the trailer and the way it is handled, drilled and rivetted.

I ordered the CCD rims vs the Safari version in the hope that the aluminim would not pose the problems I am seeing - I have never had these problems with any wheels or lighting trim on any automobile before and dont understand why AS cant get the vendors to step up on this problem
(that they are fully aware of).

Regarding the skin issues - I am afraid to go and watch my unit being asembled after Air2's post-factory comments - I have already seen missed rivets, doubled up rivets, scratches, etc right on the showroom floor on both the exterior and interior aluminum (not too mention every single drain valve instruction plate being attached with 2 rivets when there are 4 holes on the corners) For all the marketing pizazz and coffee table book folklore this company spins behind its products, the resulting output looks far more Elkhart than Jackson Center to me. Wally would not be pleased in any way.

Bottom Line - Would any of us accept these issues if we were buying a new 2008 F-250 Super Duty for $50,000? No freakin way. Many AIR folks are hands on retired or semi-retired engineer types with shops and garages that NASA would envy (and a great source for answers) so some of this is considered a challenge to be resolved through experiment and intelligent research. That is great when dealing with a sagging bottom on a 69' but none of these fix-it postings should be necessary when we are talking about new or almost new units. If I had to go through the machinations posted here to keep my 05' F150 looking and running sharp, I would have never bought it.

Somehow we need to collectively stick Thor's nose in this and get them to remedy the problem. I dont think my 08' will looks as nice as my 68' when I turn 80! Been dreaming of a new AS for 11 years and this thread has dampened my spirits and my rivets.
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:31 AM   #111
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Valhalla2go, you are right on with your post, and we're about two steps behind you. As vintage owners, we're lusting after a new 25' FB, but we're thankful Silvertwinkie raised the issue before we plunked down several times the amount of money we have in our vintage unit for a new one. Like you, we expect "issues" with our vintage units, and one of the most appealing aspects of a new trailer is not having "issues," at least not for a while. Guess that's not the case after all.

Why, after nearly a half century of applying clearcoats to Airstreams, is this still such a problem? After having clearcoated and polished vintage Airstreams and painted Argosy trailers, I'm beginning to think the Argosy units and the polished vintage units are the way to go. And they're a whole lot cheaper than the new ones and don't have the inherent risk of a watching a $45K+ trailer plummet in value when the corrosion rears its ugly head...
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Old 04-25-2007, 02:23 PM   #112
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so now what?

OK. So HOW do we get this issue in Airstream, Inc.'s sights?

Valhalla2Go and Midamrail (among all the rest) have nicely captured the issues and concerns. For myself, I'm nervous about this big investment. I adore my Safari! ...but I'm nervous about how long I will adore it.

How do we elevate the discussion beyond this thread, to where it makes a difference?

I believe I've photographically captured the corrosion "start" on my near-new unit well enough; folks with a clue about pursuing this are welcome to use any of my posted photos -- and for what it's worth I have much higher resolution versions available for the asking.

I'm a firm believer of giving the business the opportunity to Make Things Right -- they can't help you out if they don't know you've got a problem. Is it possible Airstream, Inc. doesn't know there's more than one or two of us?

I'm with Sivertwinkie in thinking this problem is much more widespread than the small group reporting here so far. How do we get more input from the folks on this forum?

Once we have "enough" evidence, how do be best present this to Airstream, Inc., conducive to getting the fix done, and done right?
  • Do we initiate a letter-writing campaign? (I am SO not a writer!)
  • Do we setup a separate web site to best convey the issue, pics and all?
  • Do we call the local TV station investigative reporter?
I think folks here are willing and able to provide energy and time to the issue; I wonder if Things might work out better if our efforts are cohesive and orchestrated, rather than though an ad hoc "same here" bunch of e-mails to...where ever.

Cheers,
-jd, looking for a leader...
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