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03-17-2013, 12:39 PM
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#1341
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,694
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Just realized how many times I've posted these pic's on this thread....oh well.
Bob
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Yeh, it looks likes you've had a couple of cases of that Honey Brown by now.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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03-17-2013, 02:57 PM
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#1342
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3 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Dallas Center/Des Moines
, Iowa
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 141
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Very poor clearcoat application is the problem with the frames.
A combination of peeling & filiform on the wheels, bezels, panels and door hinges.
What I did....
Wet sandpaper, a good polish and sealer will take care of the battery door frames.
Thorough removal and sealing of the filiform will stop the progression.
Good old Aluminum paint for the door hinges.
Have fun...
Just realized how many times I've posted these pic's on this thread....oh well.
Bob
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Bob:
I think you are the guy I am looking for. :>) Great information. I am a real rookie at this so I apologize.
I assume I can remove the battery door frames easily, I hope that is right. I was thinking I needed to replace them but you have given me hope. Then, is there a product that removes the corrosion prior to wet sanding (what grit do you use?) or simply start sanding? Then polish. Is that done with a power polisher and rubbing compound or??? Then comes the sealing process. Is that in a spray can and if so, high gloss or satin or flat finish?. I have read about finger nail polish but I must say, your fix looks very professional and I doubt that finger nail polish is the hero here.
Joe
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03-17-2013, 04:59 PM
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#1343
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Joe,
....no I'm sorry needed!!!!
Post's 489,493.
I didn't remove the hinge or the frame. Mask with several layers of blue painters tape. Scrape and sand CAREFULLY!!.
I probably went overboard with the primer on the hinges but they have held up well.
Stainless paint was used on the obvious filiform repairs. Thomas stainless paint.
On other areas I cleaned well, settling on dental scaling tools,(Amazon), smoothed carefully and sealed with automotive brush-on clear. A clear nail polish also works well.
Sealing is most important to keep the filiform from spreading.
Bob
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03-17-2013, 07:50 PM
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#1344
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,694
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Listen to Bob. A lifelong mechanic, he knows this stuff.
Disclosure: Bob may have fixed a car of mine 40 years ago when we lived in the same neighborhood. I took the car to a shop he worked at. We never met until I was on this Forum several years ago.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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03-17-2013, 09:09 PM
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#1345
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3 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Dallas Center/Des Moines
, Iowa
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 141
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Joe,
....no I'm sorry needed!!!!
Post's 489,493.
I didn't remove the hinge or the frame. Mask with several layers of blue painters tape. Scrape and sand CAREFULLY!!.
I probably went overboard with the primer on the hinges but they have held up well.
Stainless paint was used on the obvious filiform repairs. Thomas stainless paint.
On other areas I cleaned well, settling on dental scaling tools,(Amazon), smoothed carefully and sealed with automotive brush-on clear. A clear nail polish also works well.
Sealing is most important to keep the filiform from spreading.
Bob
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Bob, thank you very much. It is truly a gift to learn from those that go before. Thanks for sharing, you are good to do so. I will now read those posts.
Best, Joe
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04-26-2013, 08:16 AM
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#1346
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4 Rivet Member
2005 19' Safari
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 406
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Bob,
I'm about to start the slow process of addressing the many small filiform areas I have + my hinges.
I'm wondering, why did you use paint on the filiform areas on the panels instead of just using the Griot's to seal like you did on the door panel? Was it for cosmetic reasons or functional?
Thanks for all of the info you provided. I feel like I can handle this.
Lynn
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04-26-2013, 08:43 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Lynn,
The panel filiform around the entry door handle, was a relatively small area, but very noticeable. The stainless paint was used in an attempt to make them as invisible as possible. Once I was satisfied that it was as good as was going to get I did seal with the Griot's sealer. Same goes for the painted door hinges and polished battery door frames.
POI...I do seal the entire trailer once a year, and inspect and treat any new filiform. Once you establish a good maint routine the new outbreaks tend to diminish.
On the smaller filiform spots I just cleaned well with a dental scaling tool, smoothed carefully with 1500-2000 wet sandpaper, cleaned with mineral spirits and coated with brush-on clear. Dupli-Color auto clear or hi-end nail polish, and sealed with PS.
Hope this helps...
Bob
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04-26-2013, 10:06 AM
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#1348
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4 Rivet Member
2005 19' Safari
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 406
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It does help, Bob, thanks.
I actually started using the Griot's based on your other posts, so I'm already on my way.
Now all I have to do is the hard work!
Thanks again for all of the information you've shared on this.
Lynn
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06-12-2013, 06:46 PM
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#1349
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2 Rivet Member
2007 25' International CCD
San Diego
, California
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 26
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Discouraged buyer
This is one of my first few posts, but have found the forums (esp this thread) to be helpful.
I have been actively searching for a used late model trailer, but am worried about corrosion.
When I inquired recently if a trailer had leaks, corrosion or damage I was asked, "What do you mean by corrosion?"
When I requested additional exterior photos, it turned out many parts of the trailer had filiform corrosion.
As a newbie, I would have trouble accurately estimating repair costs and so I passed on this one.
Regards,
Grace
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06-12-2013, 06:52 PM
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#1350
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Rivet Master
2012 28' International
Olympia
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 773
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Lynn,
The panel filiform around the entry door handle, was a relatively small area, but very noticeable. The stainless paint was used in an attempt to make them as invisible as possible. Once I was satisfied that it was as good as was going to get I did seal with the Griot's sealer. Same goes for the painted door hinges and polished battery door frames.
POI...I do seal the entire trailer once a year, and inspect and treat any new filiform. Once you establish a good maint routine the new outbreaks tend to diminish.
On the smaller filiform spots I just cleaned well with a dental scaling tool, smoothed carefully with 1500-2000 wet sandpaper, cleaned with mineral spirits and coated with brush-on clear. Dupli-Color auto clear or hi-end nail polish, and sealed with PS.
Hope this helps...
Bob
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Bob,
How much Paint Sealer do you think I would need to do a 28. Is one 16 oz bottle enough?
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2014 Ram 2500 CTD
Pro Pride
Centramatics
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06-13-2013, 05:24 AM
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#1351
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveswenson
Bob,
How much Paint Sealer do you think I would need to do a 28. Is one 16 oz bottle enough?
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The 16oz Griot's Paint Sealer is enough to seal our 25' Classic at least 3 times.
I use a Proctor-Cable Orbital for application and removal. Four nickel sized spots on a 6" foam pad is enough to do a 5'x5' panel. Use sparingly.
I've found that microfiber is the best for wax removal and washing. Always follow the grain,(horizontal motion), when working the clearcoat.
Good Luck!
Bob
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06-13-2013, 08:15 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Tommy Bahama
Houston
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 37
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Filiform Disappointment
Grace,
Let me assure you that you are not alone in your disappointment about the Filiform Corrosion. It can be nasty and can spread like a cancer. This thread contains thousands of posts about others facing the same problem. The sandings and treatments are well documented and do work to some extent. My wife and I bought a brand new 23' International CCD AS in 2008 only to see it form filiform corrosion at the beltline, door handle, rear lights and under marker lights. We paid a very high price for what we thought was a top quality trailer only to have the factory warranty folks tell me they do not warranty for corrosion. They said that if I brought the trailer back to the factory, they would "look at it". I was so angry at Thor that I considered filing a lawsuit.
I have tried most of the methods mentioned in this thread and have had mixed success. You can try to seal the entire trailer, every panel cut and every rivet but you are only treating the symptoms. You may slow or stop corrosion in one area only to see it crop up somewhere else. Members of the forum pointed out how fruitless this would be so I resolved myself to treat the best I could and live with the problem.
I have now decided to go back to the factory and have them treat the corrosion and add a beltline strip put over the beltline rivets to hide the worst of the corrosion. This is supposed to cost me about $1000. This at least might cosmetically hide the problem for a while. All new AS come with this strip. AS apparently has not been able to solve the problem so they are covering it up.
I realize that this not does not solve your problem but at least you know it is not unique to you. One thing that did help me was to get my trailer out of storage with a gravel floor and into a storage unit with a sealed concrete floor. This lowered the humidity inside my storage unit and has greatly slowed the corrosion process.
Best wishes and I hope you can find a solution to the filiform corrosion that works for you.
Greg
Quote:
Originally Posted by ginsun88
This is one of my first few posts, but have found the forums (esp this thread) to be helpful.
I have been actively searching for a used late model trailer, but am worried about corrosion.
When I inquired recently if a trailer had leaks, corrosion or damage I was asked, "What do you mean by corrosion?"
When I requested additional exterior photos, it turned out many parts of the trailer had filiform corrosion.
As a newbie, I would have trouble accurately estimating repair costs and so I passed on this one.
Regards,
Grace
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06-13-2013, 11:32 AM
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#1353
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1 Rivet Member
2012 28' International
Eugene
, Oregon
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 12
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Add me to the list of mortified owners. When we put or AS into covered storage last fall everything was perfect. Checked on it bi-weekly through the winter and everything on the exterior seemed good. Brought it home and after careful inspection found corrosion around marker lights. Luckily, having read on this site about this problem, contacted JC and they are sending new marker light kit to my dealer and repairs will be made free of charge.
I inspected closer and noticed corrosion on wheel well trim and door and window trim. With 000 steel wool, lots of elbow grease and mother's alum polish, shined wheel well trim to a chrome finish. I hesitate to tackle the window and door trim pieces because of the area to be covered and the amount of rivets. Any ideas?
I also have filiform in 4 places on the lower street side and will treat these per Bob's process. Might throw on a little corrosion x also along rivets lines also.
It is to bad we can't keep these TT's looking the way we want them to look.
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06-14-2013, 08:28 AM
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#1354
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2 Rivet Member
2007 25' International CCD
San Diego
, California
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 26
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Too much of a project
Thanks for the encouragement Greg. Now when I look at trailer ads, I'm noticing nearly all have some corrosion.
Bob et al, would you consider this filiform corrosion to be excessive?
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06-14-2013, 08:34 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ginsun88
Thanks for the encouragement Greg. Now when I look at trailer ads, I'm noticing nearly all have some corrosion.
Bob et al, would you consider this filiform corrosion to be excessive?
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The first question....
Is this a trailer your thinking of buying?
Bob
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06-14-2013, 08:42 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2007 25' International CCD
San Diego
, California
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 26
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Bob, I'm afraid so...
I'd appreciate a candid reply.
Grace
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06-14-2013, 08:55 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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Remember the corrosion is only cosmetic, so if it bothers you a lot then skip on Airstreams. If you can live with it then buy the airstream you want or need and then deal with the corrosion however you seem fit to do. Do not buy a floor pan you do not like just because it has less corrosion. You have to camp in this thing, and from inside you cannot see the corrosion. Do not worry about what others think, do what you want to do. Jim
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06-14-2013, 09:00 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ginsun88
Bob, I'm afraid so...
I'd appreciate a candid reply.
Grace
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Typical of a late model used near salt water or northern winter road salt. Not for me, that's a lot of work to fix, it must be fixed by someone who knows what they're doing, and it will need regular attention or will come right back.
Look for one in Arizona, I have seen late model Airstreams there with none of this.
Then; San Diego coastal communities have salt in the air. The aluminum screens on our former house there knew it. You will have to clean and use corrosion preventive treatments regularly, let it go for a couple of years and a new trailer will look like this one.
There is good info in this forum on corrosion prevention and repair but it's usually buried with grumbling.
doug k
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06-14-2013, 09:03 AM
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#1359
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ginsun88
Bob, I'm afraid so...
I'd appreciate a candid reply.
Grace
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Grace,
Well the first thing to realize....filiform will in no way effect performance or structural integrity, it's strictly a cosmetic problem.
BUT...the look of an Airstream is part of the attraction for a lot of us.
How important is that to you?
IMHO....the trailer looks bad, very bad. There is a lot of work needed to slow the spread and in no way will it ever look pristine again.
If I were you, and if you can live with the look, I would explain to the seller the extent of the work needed and offer $3k less than asking price.
If not.
Best option....and I know it's hard, resist the impulse and continue looking, not all are effected to that extent, the good ones are out there, it just may take some time.
Bob
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06-14-2013, 06:16 PM
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#1360
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2 Rivet Member
2007 25' International CCD
San Diego
, California
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zigzagguzzi
Remember the corrosion is only cosmetic, so if it bothers you a lot then skip on Airstreams. If you can live with it then buy the airstream you want or need and then deal with the corrosion however you seem fit to do. Do not buy a floor pan you do not like just because it has less corrosion. You have to camp in this thing, and from inside you cannot see the corrosion. Do not worry about what others think, do what you want to do. Jim
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Thanks Jim, points taken.
I think I can live with some corrosion, but not excessive amounts.
The floor plan is a huge consideration and I would rather wait to buy the right trailer than to upgrade later.
My TV is a 2002 Toyota Sequoia, so I'm looking at 23Ds but have been told that I can tow a 25' with the right hitch.
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