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Old 07-16-2008, 07:50 PM   #463
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Almost as good as tech support telling me to put clear nail polish on the places mine were showing up. When I told the rep that it's everywhere and questioned if he really expected me to put clear nail polish all over my Safari, it was like a dial tone........

I know silver they told me the same thing, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Great customer service. I was a little puzzled when we purchased our Classic that we never received a CSI survey, well I sure know now don't I. There is very little of that going around. Oh, by the way, Iv'e graduated to the automotive clearcoat in the little bottle, wow am I happy now.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:30 PM   #464
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While I was driving home from JC I was thinking that I'm going to email them and have them clarify how and when I should apply it. What they wrote on my repair order was, and I qoute, "Airstream has found that Corrosion X has been used to neutrilize corrosion when used on a regular basis". You gotta be kidding me right??? How did they find that out?? It neutrilizes it??? And my real question is how do you apply it effectively and what's a regular basis??? It leaves alot of wiggle room. I'll try to find out what schedule for application he's talking about.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:59 PM   #465
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ID:	63850I'm new this whole thing, but I guess what it boils down to is, to get them to do anything about it is we have to hit them in the wallet. The funny thing is that I am having a corrosion problem on the hood of my 2001 Ford Expedition. It has always been parked out of the weather and still has corrosion on both sides of the leading edge of the hood. (I think the water stays there when it is washed). I have a couple of photos of my 2006 Airstream. These are the same that I sent to Airstream a few months ago. They told me Corrosion-X. Believe me I haven't neglected my Airstream.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:03 PM   #466
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If the skin is treated at the mill with "plasticote",
how does corrosion begin under the coating?

I thought the new coating method was to be more reliable than the spray on method.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:11 PM   #467
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[quote=OB Bambi;591062]Attachment 63850I'm new this whole thing, but I guess what it boils down to is, to get them to do anything about it is we have to hit them in the wallet. The funny thing is that I am having a corrosion problem on the hood of my 2001 Ford Expedition. It has always been parked out of the weather and still has corrosion on both sides of the leading edge of the hood. (I think the water stays there when it is washed). I have a couple of photos of my 2006 Airstream. These are the same that I sent to Airstream a few months ago. They told me Corrosion-X. Believe me I haven't neglected my Airstream.[/quote

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Sure is unfortunate that your second post is on such a confrontational topic...only time will tell. As you can see a lot of us are in the same boat.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:40 PM   #469
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The dealership replaced both tail/brake light bezels and the door grab handle on my 2005 while it was still under warranty. They said they tried the factory recommended repair of removing the clear coat, polishing, and re-coating, and that the results looked terrible. They also said the factory fought them all the way on the replacement of the parts.

Just last year, after decades of being an Airstream dealership, they announced they would no longer sell them, but they would continue to repair them. I can't help but wonder if lack of support from AS on issues like these factored into their decision.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:37 PM   #470
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If the skin is treated at the mill with "plasticote",
how does corrosion begin under the coating?

I thought the new coating method was to be more reliable than the spray on method.
The thought process is, and mind you, I'm no engineer, is that the coating is disturbed when they cut, punch holes in the beltline for the rivets, etc.

Once the area is disturbed, air, water, etc can get in between the coating and the metal. If you look at a CCD interior skins, few if any have corrosion on the inside skins. I have about 5 or 6 feet of CCD type interior on my backsplash in the kitchen area. Not a single problem. The disturbed area is not exposed to the outside.

However, the outside is a whole different beast.

I was at the factory and looked at the alum sheets they use. Not one of them had any corrosion that I could see. None of the units on the production floor had any either....once they got outside though, the stopwatch starts ticking. Attached are pics of the sheets of almum yet to be put together, completed sides before routing is done, basically cutting holes in the walls again, disturbing the coating, and last you'll see the machine that punches what I seem to recall as the middle belt line holes to join the top and bottom sections of the wall. Ironically, this is the place most of the corrosion is seen, the belt line....
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Attached is a pic of what I believe that big machine with the emblem Heim does to the sheets of alum when it punches the holes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that once these holes are punched into the coated skin, that the edges around the holes no longer have any protection if the rivet does not make a perfect seal once it fills the hole. It's my thought as to why some have more issues than others.

Again, just my thoughts. How accurate these comments are, you'd have to get someone with far more knowledge than I have, but it seem possible to me......
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:14 PM   #472
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Yesterday, I had the task of acting as an inspector for a new 2007 International at the dealer's.

There was quite a lot of corrosion. The door handle and lights were to be replaced but the end panels suffered severely from filiment corrosion. The wheels also showed the beginning of corrosive activity. It made my task grievious. I don't want the dealer to lose a sale or the perspective purchaser to lose their enthusiasm nor to be the messenger with bad news.

These are some of the pictures I forwarded. All the dealer's new Airstreams were thus afflicted. It's really a shame for everyone concerned. It's like a blight that's spreading. So many Airstreams are infected, or affected.

This pretty much resembles our 23' 2007 International as well.

Are the end caps aluminum clearcoated by Alcoa? I was told these panels are not treated and it is not just the stretching that leaves those panels more dull in appearance but they have no clear coat on them.
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Made worse by conditions???

Carol,

Dont reveal the dealers name, but is the lot near the ocean or in a humid climate? My Safari came from Bates RV down in Tampa Fl, and most rigs that had sat on the lot for several months had some type of filiform on them. It seems to start quickly, then jus slowly grow.

Those pics of the 07 are just a bummer. Those seem particularly bad, however even a 07 could have been built in the summer of 06.
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No I was told the units were never exposed to elements such as the ocean, or road salt and stored inside during the winter. The dealer is perplexed and says Airstream has people working on the issue. There just seems to be no rhyme or reason that is clear at this point.

I too had my door handle and battery boxes recoated and the wheels replaced and the corrosion reappeared on the new wheels right at home traveling only directly back within a couple short months of being replaced. I had asked what I could do to prevent it from reoccurring and what causes it and the factory told me with a shrug, they do not know why, something in the air.
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That is just about the worst belt line corrosion I have seen yet.

I *may* have spoken off line to the purchaser. My comments were:

"Would you buy a new $40k car with the paint issues in places while it was still on the dealer lot before signing the papers?"

Thanks for posting these pictures Carol. These pictures are EXACTLY what I have been talking about since mid 2005. It is just outrageous to think ANYONE would want to buy this Airstream in this condition.

The sad thing is that currently, based on what has been posted here, once the customer signs the papers, it's all on them as the factory does not appear to be dealing with this issue any longer in terms of warranty claims. Moreover, what solutions would be avail? Skin replacement (issue still might come back), panel overlay (issue could still come back), belt trim (masks the issue and eventually corrosion could expand beyond the trim cover piece), strip down and re-coat the sheets (expensive, and then not the same as the coating that Alcoa puts on).

I would RUN, not walk from this Airstream unless it was $20k off list, putting it around $25k for the unit, which ironically may be the price of a good used unit.

BTW, Carol, as far as I know, the caps are treated as they get their alum as sheets from Alcoa. My unit has it on the end caps the side panels, etc, so even if the caps are not treated, I think it's pretty well shown that this is happening many places on Airstreams, not just the caps.

About how many Airstreams were at this dealer? If in fact ALL of them have this to some degree, this clearly indicates to me that as we all suspected, this is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH larger of an issue than we are seeing here on the forum from just folks who have chosen to participate in this thread.

Airstream better come up with something and pretty quick, and a real solution that works.
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Eric, the dealer has 4 Airstreams currently with more on the way.

Our new to us slightly used 2007 23' has the same issue from another dealer and state. Our 27' 2007 has more random spots at this time, the worst showing on the wheels but I am out there treating it often, for what that is worth. My friend's new special ordered 2008 34' SO has it on her Classic developing from the chrome trim area, my other friend just had the trim put over the beltline on her new to her 2005 CCD. Frankly this is the norm and not the exception from what I have seen.

I do hope they come up with something for us! I never intended to be fighting a losing battle of the exterior failing and so soon. If the aluminum were the higher grade of the vintage units we would have good options to maintain or to restore a good skin.

Who's the history buff here? Maybe "Big Al" from Canada can help me out, his Airstream was part of a batch of bad skinned Airstreams whose clearcoat failed and Airstream painted and clearcoated those units and his looks great to this day. Not to mention easy care.
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