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Old 08-18-2014, 02:18 PM   #2059
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Balancing trailer tires not only makes the ride smooth, but it extends tire wear. Had my AS tires balanced a week after I bought it.


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Old 08-18-2014, 03:17 PM   #2060
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The bean counters at Beatrice Foods started all this...

In the 1960's the aluminum was Alcoa‐Aluminum Alclad sheet 2024‐T3 .032

In 1969‐Beatrice Foods questioned cost of material. They started experimenting with 6061-T6,
it was still heat treatable and less expensive than 2024.

1972 switched to 6061‐T6 .032 1977/78 Alcoa 3004‐H291 Brite Panels .032

1983 Alcoa 3003‐H18 .032 Controlled mill finish

1986 Alcoa 3005‐H18 .032 Controlled mill finish

1993 Switched to Alumax 3005‐H18 Controlled mill finish W/ Precoat side and window sheet .040

1994 Trailer shape changed –material remained same thickness increased to .040 to help carry the weight of shell change.

1998 ‐200….Alcoa Bright Versatrim leveled sheet 3004‐H18 side and window sheet .040 3003 O Temper .040 thicknesses with special coating from Alcoa for the segments used to make the front and rear end caps. This material is stretch formed at Airstream.

I just wonder how much money they saved per trailer by switching alloy's.
I'm sure most here would pay extra for the better alloy.
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Old 08-19-2014, 08:56 AM   #2061
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I couldn't agree with you more completely...(I'd rather pay extra for a better alloy than for ducted air, for example).
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:48 AM   #2062
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I have come to believe that over the years airstream has lowered the quality of the aluminum. Which means they could make a better product. Just read what is here and then take a look at the older models. Plus look at aluminum used on other items and the better resistance to corrosion. Anyone buying an airstream is already making a statement that they will pay more for quality. I an not saying I want to pay Bowlus prices, but if for a % more I can get aluminum that will last then I consider it. Bottom line is that better aluminum exhist than the kind airstream uses.
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Old 08-19-2014, 12:18 PM   #2063
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Corrosion problems with new Airstreams

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Old 08-19-2014, 02:11 PM   #2064
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I have come to believe that over the years airstream has lowered the quality of the aluminum. Which means they could make a better product. Just read what is here and then take a look at the older models. Plus look at aluminum used on other items and the better resistance to corrosion. Anyone buying an airstream is already making a statement that they will pay more for quality. I an not saying I want to pay Bowlus prices, but if for a % more I can get aluminum that will last then I consider it. Bottom line is that better aluminum exhist than the kind airstream uses.
The aluminum is not the cause of filiform corrosion on the Airstream shell. it's the Alcoa factory clear coating that Alcoa puts on to make a longer lasting surface finish than Airstream has ever had. Except when they had no finish and just weathered (corroded) to a dull gray.

The problem is when Airstream cuts the panels to fit and punches about 1500 holes in them for rivets. The moisture and salt starts at the edges of these cuts, then travels as corrosion between the Alcoa factory finish and aluminum to give us filiform corrosion.

Protect or seal these edges so the moisture/salt cannot enter and the filiform cannot happen. Who knows why Airstream doesn't do it, doesn't matter to me because I know my Airstream panel edges/rivet holes are unprotected. So I know it's an Airstream maintenance item and I do it myself.

A complete treatment of CorrosionX to the rivets and edges takes maybe an hour. Another 15 minutes for the underbody steel parts. And I catch any new nicks or scratches while I'm at it, because they will corrode the same way. How long it protects depends on the Airstream's exposure to coastal and northern road salts and how many potato chips we munched before using the aluminum boarding handle to go into our Airstream.

On the coast wash and treat often, in the desert worry about the sun eating your seals, sealants, and exterior plastic (Aerospace 303 says their product will protect this as well, so another maintenance item).
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:06 PM   #2065
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It's clear that Airstream doesn't see corrosion as their problem. As noted by others there is no detailed instructions on how to prevent or repair. On this thread are numerous ideas but no clear instruction for Airstream. Dealers as far as I know do not offer a preventive maintenance service. There must be some legal reason for this but it's too bad as it leaves it to owners to find an approach.....whether it works or not.
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pagoff, that's the message we get as well. It's up to us to maintain our Airstreams, an old-fashioned idea.

This is a good thread for methods that work but it's become clogged and hard to find the good stuff. And it's regional, depends on where you live and travel. I wish we could have a thread restricted to maintenance and repair, and another restricted to complaints and lawsuits.
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:02 AM   #2068
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Who out there has a newer Airstream (say from 2001 through the current model year) that has the dreaded white spider veins AKA: form fill corrosion?

I know that Dmac had this and I do recall others saying they their shells had issues. I'm wondering now how widespread this issue may be. IMHO, this issue started on my trailer back in spring of 2005. The factory replaced all 4 of my rims and both cast alum tail lights. Not only has the corrosion come back on all 4 rims and both cast alum tail lights, but it now appears to be all over the body on both the exterior alum skins and the outside door trims.

A conversation with support in Jackson Center suggested that I lightly sand down the spots and apply clear fingernail polish to it. Do you know how bad my Safari would look after that given all the locations where this is??!!?? Asked what they felt was causing this because others also have seen this and I got no response.

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If there are a number of us out there, perhaps it's time we grouped together. I can't believe a $50k RV (and in some cases, a heck of a lot more) is doing this at only 1.5 years old and is 10x worse now a 3.5 years old. Anyone know how to start a class action if there are enough of us??
Doug, I respectfully suggest you stick to the topic and if you wish to start a mainenance thread, by all means do so. The original poster made quite clear his intentions in starting this thread. It annoys some of us who would benefit from a class action suit that others would rather acquiesce and accept the challenge of maintaining a clearly defective product. Thor has mitigated the issue on the beltline somewhat, but for those of us with mid 2000's trailers, it is still a sore point and I see their action of adding a beltline trim to more recent models as admission of the MANUFACTURING DEFECT. I know you had an affected model and you probably took a pretty big hit when you sold it... Others like you, who perhaps have not yet sold their units, have a vested interest in seeing this issue resolved.
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Doug, I respectfully suggest you stick to the topic and if you wish to start a mainenance thread, by all means do so. The original poster made quite clear his intentions in starting this thread. It annoys some of us who would benefit from a class action suit that others would rather acquiesce and accept the challenge of maintaining a clearly defective product. Thor has mitigated the issue on the beltline somewhat, but for those of us with mid 2000's trailers, it is still a sore point and I see their action of adding a beltline trim to more recent models as admission of the MANUFACTURING DEFECT. I know you had an affected model and you probably took a pretty big hit when you sold it... Others like you, who perhaps have not yet sold their units, have a vested interest in seeing this issue resolved.
Hi, I originally ordered my 2005 Safari with the Classic belt line molding; I did this mainly for looks. I do have a few small spots of corrosion creeping from under this molding.
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Yes, I suspected that might happen, and particularly on the newer FC models with the trim if Thor has still to identify the need to seal that upper shell piece after riveting. As I mentioned earlier, those who have had floor rot due to a lack of sealant on the bottom segment where it meets the pan, know how difficult it is to remove the bottom beltline to fix what should have been addressed at the time of manufacture.

What this means is you simply cannot cover up the defect. I would recommend to Thor that they admit publicly their defects and send a team of specialists out to fix all the affected trailers. Anything less is simply not good enough.

Contrast their handling of the reflective deficiency recall in which they had as an option the return of the affected trailers to the dealer, at the expense of the owner, to have them affix a reflective strip... Smart folk ordered the parts and did it themselves. In the case of corrosion it is not a safety violation, but a quality issue. Compare their operating model to how Tesla (another premier brand), deals with their customers... Battery upgrades FOR FREE! Now that's a great company!

Quality defects are a great concern for brands. I worked at Intel in the 90s and was there during the great "Pentium Flaw" debacle. I spent the better part of what would have been my Christmas break, manning phones along with 500 other dedicated employees, to accept orders for replacement chips... NO QUESTIONS ASKED. To some it was a minor flaw, but it didn't matter. Grove tried to explain it away by posting an engineers perspective on the matter on a usenet forum, which only made the issue more public , and management soon recognized it was better to deal with the issue. It was an early lesson in the power of the internet and social media. In the end, we accepted tens of thousands of returned chips. In hindsight, the company realized it was a great PR thing and the publicity alone and good will generated toward the brand was worth way more than the cost of replacing the chips! Thor could learn from this.
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Tomz, seven years this thread has been active and zero progress and not much more interest in lawsuits.

Meantime most of us have learned and benefitted from the many, many folks who have taken the time to learn how to treat, mitigate, and repair filiform corrosion and posted here photos and descriptions of a variety of successful methods. These threads wander, and sometimes to everyone's good.

The lawsuit crap doesn't interest me but I do follow and contribute to what has become a very useful and successful maintenance thread.
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