Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 05-26-2014, 11:51 AM   #1961
Rivet Master
 
2002 19' Bambi
Lafayette , California
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 671
Quote:
Originally Posted by Howard L. View Post
I've been wondering also Landrum. Will some of you early posters with early 2000s trailers let us know how the Baked-on Alcoa clear coat on the skin is holding up itself. Is it still clear, turning hazy or yellow. Has it peeled anywhere, like the older plastic coats? Also if you will, post your thoughts on the later progression of skin Filiform once you started a maintenance program with corrosion X or Corrosion Block. Are new areas popping up like in the beginning or did the Filiform attacks slow to almost a stop. Also, as time has gone by, have you noticed more spots of Filiform on the skin of the molded/formed end caps?

Thanks
Howard
Our 2002 has some of spots of filiform here and there. When I find one, I carefully scrape it to the aluminum and apply a clear finish (have used several types). Otherwise, the finish has held up perfectly without haze or yellowing. I wax the trailer (originally with Walbernize and now with Turtle Wax Ice) a couple of times a year and wash it when it is dirty. It is stored outside with lots of sun.

Tim
__________________

__________________
Tim A. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2014, 09:03 AM   #1962
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,332
Quote:
Originally Posted by Howard L. View Post
I've been wondering also Landrum. Will some of you early posters with early 2000s trailers let us know how the Baked-on Alcoa clear coat on the skin is holding up itself. Is it still clear, turning hazy or yellow. Has it peeled anywhere, like the older plastic coats? Also if you will, post your thoughts on the later progression of skin Filiform once you started a maintenance program with corrosion X or Corrosion Block. Are new areas popping up like in the beginning or did the Filiform attacks slow to almost a stop. Also, as time has gone by, have you noticed more spots of Filiform on the skin of the molded/formed end caps?

Thanks
Howard

My 2004 is stored inside where temp and humidity are somewhat regulated and consistent and I wax it several times a season and get all the dead bugs off, so I may not be a good gauge, that said:

I have a few of the white squiggly lines around a rivet or two and of course my cast tail lights and entry handle have it a bit more. I have no peeling (yet), and no discoloration (yet), however, I haven't seen the trailer in about a year as I've been busy, but am picking up the trailer Sat and can reinspect it and report back any changes in the year it's been in hibernation.

From my estimates, my trailer is about year 5 of the pre-coated alum from Alcoa. Sometime mid-1999 model year they switched from the EPA approved spray on coating that would peel off after 4-5 years to these pretreated panels that the factory punches holes into, cuts, etc to add windows, rivets, etc and it's those areas that typically show the issue on pre-coated panels such as mine.

I never imagined this thread would live as long as it has, but apparently, there are a lot of us out there that have varying degrees of this issue still to the current model year.
__________________

__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2014, 09:39 PM   #1963
Rivet Master
 
Howard L.'s Avatar
 
2012 30' Flying Cloud
San Antonio , Texas
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 583
Thanks Tim and Silverwinkle. You especially Silver, who first brought the Filiform issue to the forum back in 2007. Hopefully we'll get some more replies going back to 99 or 2000. But it appears that as far as we know the Alcoa baked on finish itself is holding up real well--it's been 15 years from the first use. What's a shame here, is that the major issue of the Filiform has, from the beginning been a problem from the uncoated areas caused by the cutting and drilling done by AS at the factory during construction. The rivet holes are probably something that is what it is--unless a corrosion X coated rivet could be used (I wonder if there is some coated rivet that exists and could be used in construction). But, the exposed overlapping edges of the skin panels being left as bare cut edges is bull crap. To re coat those panel edges after forming and cutting to size with a small roller using clear-coat of any kind would put a stop to most all early skin corrosion problems (that's where 75% starts) . It's beyond understanding, with all the issues the company and owners have had, that THOR doesn't just bite the bullet, treat machined edges and then rivet the unit together. The answer I got when I recently called and asked why the edges weren't treated before construction was "all edges don't get corrosion". So if the problem isn't there for all owners then we don't deal with it? That is an awful attitude from a company that produces such a quality and expensive trailer. The fix here (at least for the edges) would be so simple.

Most other corrosion problems have been dealt with now: placards and hard wear attachments now mounted with gaskets protecting the clear coated skin. Concave clearance lights mounted to a flat skin surface now completely cushioned from the skin with larger gaskets. Why not finish the job and sell us a completely protected trailer surface? Also, Insist that the suppliers of the cast parts (entry handle, door hinges, tail lights, etc) use a quality clear coat, and everybody wins.

Once again, here a 2012 Flying Cloud that was 8 months old at the time:
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByAirstream Forums1401766308.624614.jpg
Views:	188
Size:	494.2 KB
ID:	213381
__________________
Howard L. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2014, 11:39 PM   #1964
Agent 86
 
J. Morgan's Avatar
 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,368
Images: 11
Corrosion problems with new Airstreams

Upon study of clear over Aluminum, current technology has not reached the point where aluminum can be affordably and practically coated to prevent corrosion over a period of years or even months.

Clearing over bare metal is very challenging. If a certain Airstream makes it a few years or even several months without experiencing blemishes, luck has a lot to do with it.
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2014, 05:29 PM   #1965
1 Rivet Member
 
Chesapeake , Virginia
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8
I have lurked here on this thread for along time and like a few others have been looking very closely at Livin Lite. Now that Thor has acquired them, I wonder if there will be any lessons learned or knowledge transfer to AS. I have been active in the LL forums and have yet to see any post on filiform. Certainly there are other issues, but that and rot are not on the list. As for me, I am saddened to see such an iconic brand collapse in this quality area when others do not have the same issues. I use to think it was EPA or other government regs that hurt them, but that looks less like the case now.
__________________
funpilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2014, 07:16 PM   #1966
Agent 86
 
J. Morgan's Avatar
 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,368
Images: 11
Does Thor make another brand where bare aluminum is cleared over?
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2014, 03:29 PM   #1967
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,332
OK, FWIW, I just picked my '04 up having not seen it in about year. It was indoor and I am happy to report I've not seen any new noticeable corrosion than it had when it went into hibernation.
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2014, 10:16 PM   #1968
Rivet Master
 
Howard L.'s Avatar
 
2012 30' Flying Cloud
San Antonio , Texas
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 583
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie View Post
OK, FWIW, I just picked my '04 up having not seen it in about year. It was indoor and I am happy to report I've not seen any new noticeable corrosion than it had when it went into hibernation.
Great!
__________________
Howard L. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2014, 07:02 PM   #1969
1 Rivet Member
 
Chesapeake , Virginia
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Morgan View Post
Does Thor make another brand where bare aluminum is cleared over?
Not sure that Livinlite would be described that way as the outside skin is painted over. I know the floor can be bare aluminum but have not read about any corrosion issues with it. As for me, I am about to write the check for this one: Camplite 28bhs Automotive Travel Trailer Overview | Livin' Lite RV

It is so new that there are no pics on the internet other than the few you can see in the Gallery, nor is there anything yet on youtube. This one has a bunk house where the bunks appear to be able to be flipped up. There is a back door to that area that lets you put bicycles in that space if you are not using the bunks. Dry weight for this 29 footer is 4250. I held out as long as I could for AS to solve their corrosion issues but at least I am staying in the corporate family!!
__________________
funpilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2014, 08:38 AM   #1970
Rivet Master
 
kscherzi's Avatar
 
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills , California
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,118
Images: 24
Better get a good anti-sway hitch. The 275lb tongue weight seems pretty light for a 4750lb trailer.
__________________
kscherzi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2014, 04:55 AM   #1971
4 Rivet Member
 
eheffa's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Victoria , BC
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 333
Quote:
Originally Posted by funpilot View Post
Not sure that Livinlite would be described that way as the outside skin is painted over. I know the floor can be bare aluminum but have not read about any corrosion issues with it. As for me, I am about to write the check for this one: Camplite 28bhs Automotive Travel Trailer Overview | Livin' Lite RV

It is so new that there are no pics on the internet other than the few you can see in the Gallery, nor is there anything yet on youtube. This one has a bunk house where the bunks appear to be able to be flipped up. There is a back door to that area that lets you put bicycles in that space if you are not using the bunks. Dry weight for this 29 footer is 4250. I held out as long as I could for AS to solve their corrosion issues but at least I am staying in the corporate family!!

Well, good luck & happy trails to you.

Despite all my gripes about filiform, leaks etc., I don't think I would trade my 25FB for that setup.

Airstream could probably improve their product using some ideas from the LivinLite units but I see enough differences here that I don't like. This wouldn't tempt me to switch.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Enjoy!

- evan
__________________
eheffa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2014, 05:27 AM   #1972
Rivet Master
 
Wayne&Sam's Avatar
 
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville , New York
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,923
Images: 21
In the seven years we owned our 200 Safari the filliform never progressed beyond a few panel edges. Our 2014 FC has trim covering that area. Out of sight, out of mind.
__________________
2014 25' Flying Cloud Rear Twin
2012 Dodge Durango Hemi/AWD
Wayne&Sam is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2014, 05:41 AM   #1973
Rivet Master
 
m.hony's Avatar
 
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood , Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 11,331
I would never use that as a reason not to buy an Airstream trailer. I have never seen any on my trailer or anyone else's trailer.
I'm sure the Livin' Lite Camp Lite trailers are great trailers, though. There is no wood or steel, therefore there is no rot or rust. It is a good concept/idea.
__________________
2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
Airforums #70955
m.hony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2014, 05:52 AM   #1974
4 Rivet Member
 
2007 23' Safari SE
2016 23' International
Fernandina Beach , Florida
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne&Sam View Post
In the seven years we owned our 200 Safari the filliform never progressed beyond a few panel edges. Our 2014 FC has trim covering that area. Out of sight, out of mind.
I have long wondered if the beltline trim strips might be available for Safari's, particularly the 8ft wide models ( I recently looked at an older International with such trim.) How is it attached? Rivets? I should think it would be a great retrofit solution for those really concerned about the appearance of their trailers.
__________________

__________________
Tomzstream is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Stainless steel corrosion Dave-O Stoves, Ovens & Microwaves 21 04-05-2014 06:30 PM
How did you get into Airstreams & Airstreaming? 83Excella Our Community 102 03-15-2009 09:48 AM
Airstreams in winter?? Curtis-79MH Airstream Motorhome Forums 6 03-27-2006 12:58 PM
Black water problems Rob Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 3 08-31-2002 07:34 PM
Ralph Lauren Vintage Airstreams ($150,000) Andy R General Interior Topics 0 02-22-2002 12:06 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by



Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.