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Old 04-08-2014, 02:41 PM   #1863
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Fan may have a point. I wonder if Airstreams in Seattle Washington have filliform problems? I have a 1999 exella classic 30' with minimum filliform. I wonder what upper management changed ie. vender of aluminum , assembly procedure, or clearcoat formula after yr.2000 to cause this problem? The aluminum wheels I bought has more filliform than the whole trailer... they're off a 2011 airstream. If it wasn't for the govt. bail-out... G.M. would be no longer.
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Old 04-08-2014, 03:54 PM   #1864
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But how many new airstreams could be sold if they make them properly !
You can only imagin. If the factory was automated they could pass the savings to us. The ralleys would be back to the 50's and 60' numbers. The old pictures show no less than a hundred in attendance. The competeters would shudder to this fantacy.
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:45 PM   #1865
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Everyone has their own Airstream quality experience. Ours was beautifully assembled at the factory, and has no corrosion whatsoever going on three years. Everything works. If it doesn't we will fix it.

We inspected ours thoroughly for operation and defects when we bought it. There were none. We treated the shell, fittings, and underbody for corrosion the day we brought it home. I bought an inexpensive Sonin moisture detection meter from Amazon and checked it for dampness in the plywood subflooor, which revealed four leaks in the shell.

We had a trip planned to have reclining chairs, table and cabinets installed in the front of our trailer at Jackson Center factory service so while there we had their 26 point inspection done as well as a Seal Tech pressure leak test. That confirmed the four leaks in the shell and they fixed them under warranty. They replaced all of our exterior clearance lights because of the poor seal design.

We use a quarterly inspection and maintenance plan to check systems, check for leaks, and renew anti-corrosion products. We put a new top quality polish on yearly. If something works loose, we tighten it. If we break it, we will fix it. If we don't like something, we change it. It there's a nick, we touch it up with clear acrylic or paint. And if the roads are salted I don't pull our Airstream on them. I'm guessing it won't be sitting at the beach much either, but that's a personal choice, we have plenty of fresh water at home.

And we use it, been on the road 18 months since new, traveled coast to coast twice and border to border several times.

There are many, many Airstreamers over the past 80 years who have done something similar. Keep the tool kit and maintenance products at hand and use them.

In the time I took to write this I could have treated half the shell for corrosion. That's how easy it is.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:25 PM   #1866
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Fan may have a point. I wonder if Airstreams in Seattle Washington have filliform problems? I have a 1999 exella classic 30' with minimum filliform. I wonder what upper management changed ie. vender of aluminum , assembly procedure, or clearcoat formula after yr.2000 to cause this problem? The aluminum wheels I bought has more filliform than the whole trailer... they're off a 2011 airstream. If it wasn't for the govt. bail-out... G.M. would be no longer.
streamin, I am truly beginning to think same, re: a wet climate is actually good for clearcoat preservation. The FaN is also hosed down 1 - 2X per week in the summer because the livestock kick-up some dust. The trailer is also dripping with dew in the morning. It is a trailer that spends most of its life wet.

BTW, people who dwell on this wet coast also have the best skin. I'm not making this up; our dematologists attribute it to the rain/moist air.

So, what is good for the complexion is also good for the Airstream skin - even without Oil of Olay?

Does your trailer look older than your husband?

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Old 04-08-2014, 06:45 PM   #1867
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To me this is not acceptable four leaks on a two year old trailer ,and replace clearance light gaskets did airstream just start making gaskets for clearance lights ? Kinda crazy yes I know there are maintenance on airstreams but they need to fix this problem not just put the same defective gaskets back on , to me they never fixed the problem you will have the same problem back in less then two years and your floor is wet and rotting out,not to mention other dampness problems frame rusting etc. hate to be negative but can you imagine if car manufactures did this ! There would be a lot of lemons cars out there or they would be out of business .
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:58 PM   #1868
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I completely disagree with this statement and you assumptions about why people buy Airstreams or how uninformed AS buyers are. Quality can always be better, but compared to other brands of Travel Trailers Airstreams are WAY better built in my humble opinion. So yes, while I purchased partly based on the allure of the Airstream brand at least 50% of my purchase decision was made on the superior quality of Airstream compared to just about every other kind of Travel Trailer.

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However...Airstreams don't sell based on quality control. They sell based on their PERCEIVED quality but mostly on their look and history at this point.
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:13 PM   #1869
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I wish our unit arrived and met our expectations for a $100,000 trailer versus the issues that greeted us.

A simple run to Jackson Center is about 1,950 miles EACH way or nearly $800 in diesel fuel for the trip. That makes a beginning price for "free" warranty repairs seem not so free.

And many of our issues were due to a "don't care attitude" like improperly installed alignment blocks for the couch arm rests, duct work collapsed because the cabinet was put on top of crossed runs, sloppy cut ins of the wall covering around the access hatches, dented ceiling material.... the list just goes on. I pointed out both in person and via email to the QC manager while I was at the factory watching snippets of the assembly process the loose rub rail by the center awning brace. It was NOT fixed before the trailer left the factory.

So the corrosion issue is just the decorative icing on the "issues" cake!
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:14 PM   #1870
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To me this is not acceptable four leaks on a two year old trailer ,and replace clearance light gaskets did airstream just start making gaskets for clearance lights ? Kinda crazy yes I know there are maintenance on airstreams but they need to fix this problem not just put the same defective gaskets back on , to me they never fixed the problem you will have the same problem back in less then two years and your floor is wet and rotting out,not to mention other dampness problems frame rusting etc. hate to be negative but can you imagine if car manufactures did this ! There would be a lot of lemons cars out there or they would be out of business .
I always wondered what happened to the Yugo.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:15 PM   #1871
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There's a current thred called ''Should this be the new Airstream''? Carbon fiber trailers may be the next rage. I'm surprised on how many streamers might consider this concept. Thor better look in the rear view mirror if the manufactor rounded the corners off... Fan I'm buying misters for Airstream to simulate the wet coast climate as for me...I would have to do a complete face off restoration.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:19 PM   #1872
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Just purchased a beautiful red Honda 3000 watt generator today, works perfectly no corrosion issues......I'm sure it will outlast my new AS, very sad commentary on "American Made".
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:21 PM   #1873
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Howard, are you suggesting a class action law suit? It has been addressed here many times, however no one has jumped on the band wagon.

I can appreciate that GREGU's concerns were addressed, but he had to drive to the factory. And that's 100's of miles away for me. Has anyone had any success contacting AS and requesting they front the cost for repairs done locally?

Not suggesting class action at all. In an earlier post I commented how that was discussed here in 2007 and like you said, the idea pops up again ever now and then. Clear coated Aluminum will never be without problems. As owners we should know that and try our best to maintain. But reports such as GregU's show many of our problems could be avoided with better construction care and quality control.

Those of us posting on this thread are voicing our frustrations, our efforts to repair, our attempts to get the company to come to the table with help. We really are a pretty good knowledge base of what happens in the field. My question to the group is, should we, as a group, approach Thor with suggestions that we feel will improve the quality of the product that leaves the factory. Maybe I'm being naive and they don't care, but to blow off a big group of concerned owners would be awfully foolish. Not sure exactly how to do this, but we are many, Lawyers here, business Execs here. I'm thinking someone would know how to approach the company and who to contact. Just an idea, just a question.
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:35 PM   #1874
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Maybe we should have a filliform rally at the plant. I mean Airstream rally.
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:32 PM   #1875
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To me this is not acceptable four leaks on a two year old trailer ,and replace clearance light gaskets did airstream just start making gaskets for clearance lights ? Kinda crazy yes I know there are maintenance on airstreams but they need to fix this problem not just put the same defective gaskets back on , to me they never fixed the problem you will have the same problem back in less then two years and your floor is wet and rotting out,not to mention other dampness problems frame rusting etc. hate to be negative but can you imagine if car manufactures did this ! There would be a lot of lemons cars out there or they would be out of business .
Let me explain the leaks as others may find the same ones. Two were at each end of the optional street side awning arm brackets where water is funneled down like gutter ends. The screws/rivets were sealed but not well enough for this spot. One where the lower entrance door hinge screw had loosened over time. The other at the rear window larch that was not tight enough. They're not shocking, easily fixed and we verify it during quarterly inspections.

Our Airstream is corrosion free. Meantime the Toyota truck we traded recently suffered a well rusted frame and heavy filiform corrosion on its aluminum wheels. The Tacoma we had before that had such a rusted frame Toyota was replacing them so they didn't break in two. We don't have to imagine if car manufacturers did this, we experienced it.
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:58 PM   #1876
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"All that glitters is not gold"
Three weeks ago I picked up my new 23' Flying Cloud, brought it home and tucked it in my garage. After reading about corrosion issues and build quality I've spent the last two days crawling underneath mine, cleaning, scrubbing and applying T-9. I've found three panels that have rivets that have pulled out or were never punched through causing the panel to sag about 1/4 inch in spots.....disappointing for sure.
I also found gobs of silicon on the roof seam that has pushed out and appears like sloppy application at best. Is what it is, but............I understand it's not a BMW (I've owned many) or a Ferrari, I've raced many, but I expected better.
Welcome ... understand that the AS is not perfect and often disappointing in QC, but it is still the best assembled that we have found. We had a hit list of over a dozen problems - mostly addressed by ourselves (dealer from whom we purchased is 600 miles away and local does not have a good record with many AS owners) with a few parts supplied by AS.
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