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Old 10-17-2007, 10:51 PM   #15
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We picked up our new 2008 International 27FB a few weeks ago, and have yet to use it anywhere but our driveway; all seemed to be in good nick, with good pretty good fit and finish, and even the shower door appears to be caulked.

Everything except that with the (early) arrival of decent rains here in northern California, yesterday we discovered a leak running down the inside of the trailer. Upon investigation up on the step ladder, I discovered that the factory did not caulk/seal during the installation of the bracket that holds the TV antenna when it is in the stowed position, which is a seemingly amazing oversight - particularly given the rather copious and obvious amounts used everywhere else on the roof.

During a break in the rain, and given the forecast, I dried the area in question and duct taped over it, which has stopped the leak for the moment. Now to talk to the dealer about a more permanent solution.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:19 PM   #16
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may be not the right place but I would like to know what could be the difference between the international 2007 and 2008?
my 2007 was manufactured in march 2007
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:06 AM   #17
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  • Picked up our new 2008 from the dealer last Friday and immediately went on a 4 day maiden voyage. Everthing worked perfectly. Toscano RV did an excellant job walking us through. Owned a 21ft Bigfoot Trailer that burnt to the ground in a fire at our home. Love this model. Couldn't be more pleased with the workmanship or the dealership.
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:25 PM   #18
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Thought I would report back after a summer of enjoyment in and out of our 08' Safari 27FB. Overall we have not had any major problems thus far and of course far fewer maintenance issues than our 68'. Assembly quality and finish seem pretty decent and we have not had some of th eproblems noted in other years.

Prior to our first return trip to the dealership here are the raving observations of an addict in no apparent order:

1. Already observed rust forming on the folding steps and front frame pieces.

2. Just oberserved some water seeping out under the wood trim below the shower door. Checking to see if this is a caulk issue or worse.

3. The flanged head of a few internal rivets is almost off the edge of the aluminum sheet - not much of a fastener long term where they were placed.

4. Man the outside porch light is blinding - great if you need to find your way across a dark 4 mile long camp site but not exactly cozy when enjoying a malt beverage under the awning. JC should consider a switch with 2 levels of output - soft cozy and landing strip brightness.


5. We also are experiencing a low moaning sound when you step on the back floor near the bed. Cannot determine if this is loose sub-flooring or some other issue.

6. Coming from a 68', I have never seen so much caulk used in my entire life - the roof in particular but also gallons of the stuff around plumbing etc under both sinks.

7. Love the piano hinged bathroom door - can be opened 90 degrees to create a temporary screen or 180 to afford easy access in and out. However, if you are not a rail thin runway model good luck with finding a comfortable position to sit on the head without bashing your right knee into the door. If solo, we leave the head door open for extra room.

8. Love the built in water filter in the kitchen

9. The kitchen spray nozzle and hose only drizzles

10. We had a second fantastic fan installed and it acts up from time to time and will not auto close or cycle on.

11. As mentioned in other posts, the curtains are made out of the cheapest cheesecloth meets canvas I have ever seen and the velcro used to bring them together is poorly affixed - however, they do serve their purpose and after a couple juice box spills and mashed bugs, you realize something nicer would be trashed leaving you feeling guilty. Almost like disposable curtains. When they are shot we will get something more aesthetically pleasing.

12. The outside shower fixture on the curb side is a terrific feature but the greay plastic access door panel fell off on the 2nd trip - seems it is hinged by 2 plastic flimsty pins with ballpoint pen type springs and a pin cracked. I plan to replace with metal pins. (would like all doors to be actual metal).

13. The wrap around windows and awnings on all 3 sides are huge additions both in function - keeps trailer much cooler in full sun and form - many people comment on how cool the trailer looks with the awnings - we ordered a custom color on all 3 for only $250.

14. Having the vinyl floor throughout and no carpet in the bedroom has proven itself repeatedly - easy to sweep up and a couple throw rugs are easy to clean and keep the place warm and inviting.

15. Converting the dinnette into a bed is harder than it needs to be. The table drops down nicely but the cushions are not precision sized and the end effect is a sloppy fit with some gaps. A good bed cover placed over them helps smooth things out and keeps kid dirt off cushions.

16. The spice rack finish does not really go with the rest of the streamlined modern interior - looks like it came from the classic line and the wood screw covers have all popped off due to a lusy glue job.

17. A few areas have veneer peeling issues which I have re-glued and hit with a emory board to remove the sharp edges that caused the problem.

19. Bed Bath & Beyond was carrying single and double towel hooks, paper towel bars, etc designed for kitchen cabinet doors with a narrower flange - they are the exact nickel finish of the OEM hardware in the trailer and fit perfectly over any door or cabinet in the trailer. We use the double hook on the curved door below the lobster sink for dish towels and a single hook on the other side with a potholder to hang the round cutting board when accessing the sink. The paer towel bar is great on the overhead doors and out of the way. Check for them.

20. The underbed storage is useful but dont put things you need frequently in this spot - pain to wake up the spouse to change shirts etc. The outside access to this space behind the LP tanks is very confined and trying to store and remove items like folding chairs etc is a bit difficult. We are using this area for storing soft or longer items such as a duffle bag or fishing pole cases etc vs awkward items that will eventually gouge the LP tank cover etc.

21. The white "foam" headguard trim piece above the door has come loose (probably not enough caulk). It also feels like the screen and main doors have to be slammed real hard to close - even when perfectly level etc. Many folks wind up with the doors almost closed when they enter or leave.

22. In an age of computer driven routers and automated tools, I am amazed at how poorly the interior cabinets and wall panels are cut to follow the curved interior walls. In most cases very generous trim strips hide the obviously poor cuts and finish but 2 floor to ceiling panels look like they were eyeballed on an old band saw with areas rubbing tight against the aluminum and others where you could fit a pencil in the gap.

23. Dont let your kids run their hands down the window channels as they will get cut up badly by all the razor sharp exposed screws used to fasten the window frames to the body. Makes it very difficult to clean this area which can accumulate debris, dead bugs etc. Learned the hard way with a damp rag in hand. Neighbor took the time and expense to remove every screw and replace with shorter SS nuts and washers - same head, same fit, but a very nice clean look on the interior.

Time to print this and off to dealership before the warranty runs out.
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:25 PM   #19
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We took delivery of our special-order 25' FB Classic last Friday. The highlights and lowlights after a visit to Jackson Center to see it on the line, one night spent in it at the dealership, and a wash/wax job at home the next day:
  1. If you order your trailer and can find any way at all to go to Jackson Center during the last couple of days it's on the line, do it - it's well worth the trip. We had the opportunity to see it nearly completed one day and completed and ready for inspection the next, and we were invited to go through it very carefully and note any problem areas we saw. We found several over and above what the inspectors had found, and all but one were addressed by JC before it left. A scuff/small scrape on the rear bumper was still there when we picked it up, but everything else was dealt with, and the staff at JC could not have been more accommodating or helpful. They actually appreciated us being there and giving them the opportunity to address issues there at the factory, and it was well, well worth it for us. The dealer also noted they had very little to do other than clean it when it arrived.
  2. The special-order things for which we asked - no chrome Classic beltline trim, no skylight over the galley, a stainless convection/microwave, and carpet delete - were all completed as we had asked.
  3. Everything worked perfectly the first night. No leaks from the shower, no electrical or plumbing glitches, nothing that concerns us - yet.
  4. The fit and finish inside seem to be very good, but that's after we found a few things at JC that were addressed there. Had some of those things been present at delivery, we would have been less pleased.
  5. The new Samsung 23" HDTV is absolutely awesome.
  6. We're convinced Classics look better with the exposed rivet line rather than the chrome beltline extrusion. They would look even better with an aluminum interior and the hickory cabinets; maybe someday...
  7. HOWEVER...while washing and waxing the trailer, I noticed two problem areas in the clearcoat. One is an area I can only describe as a one foot-square "shadow" under the clearcoat that looks to be a shadow on the aluminum. It's visible only at certain angles and may become less obvious with time. However, the other area is an area of roughness in the clearcoat on the curbside near the side bedroom window where it looks like the clearcoat was either applied over dust or had moisture bubbles in it. I'm not at all pleased with that area, and I doubt there's much that can be done. We didn't see either in JC, and it took washing and waxing it outside to really, really see and pay attention to the skin.
Observations about the FB layout:
  1. The front panos are great, but A/S REALLY needs to line the curtains in the bedroom with light-blocking opaque material. The curtains in our vintage unit from Ambruso have just such a material, and it would make all the difference, even in a Classic with the day/night cellular shades. The curtains are nowhere near the quality of the Ambruso curtains, and the dealership's lot lights kept my husband up all night.
  2. The engineers/designers need to spend a couple of nights in these units so they think about things like where the bath towels and bath mat can be hung. Hello...
  3. The twin bed layout is outstanding, especially in the 25'. It offers so much more storage as well as more floor space, giving the trailer a more open feeling. And we found them very comfortable.
Observations about our dealer: Bill Thomas Camper Sales was outstanding from start to finish, and they were helpful and gracious every step of the way. We really appreciated the delivery procedures, including the "training" session; even though we've had several vintage units, we quickly found there was a bit of a learning curve with a new unit that has marvelous things like a gray tank. We would highly recommend them to anyone.

We're looking forward to our first weekend out in a couple of weeks as well as our first big trip later in November. We think we'll be happy - perhaps not overly thrilled given the clearcoat issues - but happy. It looks to be a good unit. Will it be as great in thirty-seven years as our 1971 Sovereign is today? I doubt it, but I think we'll enjoy it nonetheless.
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Old 10-18-2007, 07:38 PM   #20
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top edge of wall dividing bathroom from rear bedroom, could have been scribed a little better... but what the hey- all purebreds have a little character...
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:58 AM   #21
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22' Safari Sport mfg 08-07. Brought home 10-18 and have 800+ miles on it. Dealer did a great job on prep and walk thru. Interior was clean, no debris noted. Went on a four day outing, everything worked except blackwater tank indicator showed full. After returning home, the next day, found the external water inlet connection to the toilet leaking. Simple finger tighten procedure. Instruction manual for the systems indicator panel says they are calibrated at the factory but gives you instructions how to re-calibrate. Did this and it works fine now. We couldn't be more pleased with our purchase.
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:06 AM   #22
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We took delivery of our 2008 30' Classic in early November.

We discovered several of the door/drawer closure/locks were broken; the springs popped out of two of them and the plastic housing that holds the spring unit was completely split and broken on a third.

Our shower was well sealed and had no leaks at the door for a month. The daily wiping of the shower door rubbed the meager amount of silicone that had been applied at the joint for the piece that the door is mounted to and the opposing side for the door closure wore off and I had to reseal both places.

Four weeks into it, a 14" x 1" x .5" board fell from somewhere between the fridge and the sliding door. The next time the door was opened it would only close half way because this piece of wood was blocking it. We were able to remove the piece of wood by removing the drawer under the fridge to get to it. We have no idea if this is the "guts" that holds the entire trailer together and wonder if the trailer will just fall completely apart.

The dining table forward mounting bracket that is permanently attached to the wall is mounted one quarter inch too low; the table rocks back and forth when pressure is applied on the forward edge.

Three weeks into our travels we found stains on the lighter portion of three window shades. We had not bothered to look at these at the time of delivery.

There are two lumps under the carpet just inside the bedroom from the bath. We have the twin bed model. But, if memory serves (I could be wrong) I have read something about this somewhere on the forum.

The audio/video package that was installed had numerous wiring errors for the sound system. I have posted a fix for this in the Strange noises from the stereo thread.
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Old 01-01-2008, 05:04 PM   #23
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We ordered a Classic 30 and took delivery on 12/20/07. The mfg build date is 12/07. Overall the AS is well built. But we've experienced more quality issues at delivery than with our 05 Classic. The discrepancies are minor with one exception, the entrance door!
1) Excessive force to close door (1 broken bolt on latch & striker came loose on trip home-Not Resolved yet).
2) Lack of clearance between 23" TV & valance panel (scored fabric on panel).
3) With TV in secured position, access to A/C-heat controller is not possible (design issue).
4) Poor track alignment on 2 drawers that dealer corrected after we pointed them out.
5) One side of sofa had an excessive gap between sofa & armrest, which did not fit properly either (corrected by dealer after pointing this out to them).
6) Mounteed AC outlet noticebly crooked.
7) Scratches on finish of kitchen coutner top & dinette table top.

On the return trip home, while at a RV park, the power jack quit. While removing the LP bottle cover to gain access to the set screw for power head, I noticed the wire harness was pinched. Further inspection revealed a shorted wire to the jack. Made a field repair to get going. Also noticed the black water tank always reads empty. Traveling the next afternoon, I stopped to get an item from the AS, only to find the entrance door would not close & latch. The striker had come loose. Removed striker and secured door using dead bolt.

AS has numerous good features and I'm not aware of a better built RV. I have no regrets purchasing our AS, although I wish things would have been a little different. Given the cost of AS, I don't think an additional charge to crank up the quality control a notch would be frowned upon. When I'm told your unit is ready for delivery, I can accept a few minor oversights. However, I don't expect to point out an obvious problem that should have been corrected by the mfg. or at least by the dealer prior to being told it is ready for delivery.

My recommendation to AS would be an accountable QC inspector with final say. To err is human, to ignor is lack of pride in one's work.

I have prepared a letter with pitures for both AS and the dealer. I'm not sure if the "contact us" on the AS site will deliver the letter to the responsible person or not. Any imput would be appreciated. The intent of the letter won't affect my experience, but hopefully benefit future AS customers. I believe AS cares about its customers as I care about my experiences.

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Old 01-01-2008, 05:42 PM   #24
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Superbly well designed and constructed.

This is our third AS, and 2nd new AS. I have to say Airstream did a great job on this one. The Ocean Breeze theme has absolute wow factor as well.
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Old 01-01-2008, 05:44 PM   #25
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We ordered a Classic 30 and took delivery on 12/20/07. The mfg build date is 12/07. Overall the AS is well built. But we've experienced more quality issues at delivery than with our 05 Classic. The discrepancies are minor with one exception, the entrance door!
1) Excessive force to close door (1 broken bolt on latch & striker came loose on trip home-Not Resolved yet).
2) Lack of clearance between 23" TV & valance panel (scored fabric on panel).
3) With TV in secured position, access to A/C-heat controller is not possible (design issue).
4) Poor track alignment on 2 drawers that dealer corrected after we pointed them out.
5) One side of sofa had an excessive gap between sofa & armrest, which did not fit properly either (corrected by dealer after pointing this out to them).
6) Mounteed AC outlet noticebly crooked.
7) Scratches on finish of kitchen coutner top & dinette table top.

On the return trip home, while at a RV park, the power jack quit. While removing the LP bottle cover to gain access to the set screw for power head, I noticed the wire harness was pinched. Further inspection revealed a shorted wire to the jack. Made a field repair to get going. Also noticed the black water tank always reads empty. Traveling the next afternoon, I stopped to get an item from the AS, only to find the entrance door would not close & latch. The striker had come loose. Removed striker and secured door using dead bolt.

AS has numerous good features and I'm not aware of a better built RV. I have no regrets purchasing our AS, although I wish things would have been a little different. Given the cost of AS, I don't think an additional charge to crank up the quality control a notch would be frowned upon. When I'm told your unit is ready for delivery, I can accept a few minor oversights. However, I don't expect to point out an obvious problem that should have been corrected by the mfg. or at least by the dealer prior to being told it is ready for delivery.

My recommendation to AS would be an accountable QC inspector with final say. To err is human, to ignor is lack of pride in one's work.

I have prepared a letter with pitures for both AS and the dealer. I'm not sure if the "contact us" on the AS site will deliver the letter to the responsible person or not. Any imput would be appreciated. The intent of the letter won't affect my experience, but hopefully benefit future AS customers. I believe AS cares about its customers as I care about my experiences.

Open to any feedback,
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Old 01-13-2008, 05:32 PM   #26
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Leaks, leaks, and more leaks in our new International 27FB

After getting the aforementioned lack of caulking under the TV antenna strut fixed, we went up to Mendocino for New Years, and discovered a few new drips inside. With the recent major rains here in NorCal, last Saturday I went out to check on the Airstream, only to discover puddles inside. Lots of puddles. The Fantastic Fan in the rear had two small drips down to the floor, but more significantly, there was a huge puddle forward, from the shower to the sides of the beds, and water running down the sides of the trailer from seams in the aluminum. And the mattress was soaked, as was the plywood under the mattress.

Fortunately, the storms broke for a bit, and we drove the trailer the hour to the dealer, and had them park it in a service bay (the compromise that we reached after they had told me over the phone that it would be a week before they could look at it, and I told them that it would be ruined in another day). I heard back from them yesterday, they told me that there were huge gaps (the largest that they've seen) in the caulking for the factory-installed solar panels and both fans.

I'm pretty unimpressed that the trailer could have left Airstream without anyone noticing the lack of caulk...
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Superbly well designed and constructed.

This is our third AS, and 2nd new AS. I have to say Airstream did a great job on this one. The Ocean Breeze theme has absolute wow factor as well.
The Ocean Breeze has to be seen in person to be appreciated. They really do have a 'WOW' factor that doesn't come across in the pictures on the web or brochures.
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Old 01-21-2008, 11:20 AM   #28
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08 25 Safari SS SE leaking

We picked up our AS in early December, the dealer had done a very nice job of cleaning the unit.

A few week later, we found a leak in the front panoramic windows. Back to the dealer for the repair, and during that visit, the dealer also recaulked the shower, as the caulk seemed very sparse, and they also adjusted some of the window latches. A week after picking up the AS from the repairs, we found ANOTHER leak in the Silver Lining. Now the window by the entry door has a leak. Since we have never used the AS to yet, this is rather distressing!

I called Airstream, and emailed them some pictures of the leak. They assured me that it could be fixed, but I don't understand how a trailer less than two months old, and never really used could have two different leaks. Where is the quality control!


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