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Old 02-05-2007, 04:30 PM   #211
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Question: what's a "shub"?

We've had a number of minor fit/finish items with our '06 Safari which we bought new from Bates last April. Unfortunately, or fortunately, each of them has been so minor that we haven't bothered to take it back for service, but I suppose at some point they will, collectively, justify the trip to Tampa.

1) Our shower door lock broke off after the second use, but the door/shower still works fine as long as you don't bump it open.

2) We noticed a couple of wet spots during a serious downpour - our only heavy rain experience so far. I don't know if it's a problem or should just be blamed on the severity of the rain that day.

3) Wood/upholstered panel underneath the sofa is difficult to open/shut.

4) Front door is difficult to open/shut - hasn't really gotten better with use but hasn't been a problem really, either. Sure feels secure when you slam yourself inside and lock the door behind you!

5) Some other minor things that I guess we've just gotten accustomed to b/c I can't remember them at the moment.

Do most of you just fix these little things yourselves as you go or at some point make a long list and take it back for service while it's still under warranty? I guess I've got a little over a year under warranty remaining.
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Old 02-05-2007, 05:51 PM   #212
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Here are some pics for everyone to see where I had my problems these are some that are pretty well known I think.
Here is the shub in the pic.The leak is just under it and you can see where I put the caulking at.Also there were 2 tiny holes just in front of the shub and I filled those in as well.

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Old 02-05-2007, 06:04 PM   #213
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Here is where I had problems with my door.It would not shut all the way and would stay open to about an inch or so.I had to slam it to get it to close right.This was on my pevious Safari.The new one I have now does not do this but is very close to rubbing against it.I will be sanding it down just to be safe in case of expanding and contracting.Here is the pic from the inside.You can see to your left looking at the pic that there is room where the screen door can close.When you look at the other side you can see how close the door is to the piece of wood.It rubs against this and pushes on the screen door and sandwiching it between the outside door making it hard to close to where you have to slam it.I hope this helps some out.
The other picture shows it from the outside.You can see that the piece of wood sticks up pretty high.I would think they would have made it flush with the aluminum.
Dont mind the hole in the screen.Bella saw some new friends and got really excited.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:05 AM   #214
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Here are some pics for everyone to see where I had my problems these are some that are pretty well known I think.
Here is the shub in the pic.The leak is just under it and you can see where I put the caulking at.Also there were 2 tiny holes just in front of the shub and I filled those in as well.


We have the same shower door set up. I didn't know that was called a "shub" myself. Combination shower/tub makes sense. Anyway, we had a leak in the same place. While in JC for body damage repair, they caulked it for us, but that seems to have not lasted very long. I think that is a condition of the brand of caulk used. Rich Luhr has the same set up and he has recommended a different brand of caulk that I think I will use to re-caulk this weekend before our next camping trip in two weeks.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:33 PM   #215
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Here is where I had problems with my door.It would not shut all the way and would stay open to about an inch or so.I had to slam it to get it to close right.This was on my pevious Safari.The new one I have now does not do this but is very close to rubbing against it.
I had a nasty draft coming from under that wood threshold. I did a light test at night and there was a fair sized opening that I had the factory fix when I was there in spring of 2005.
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Old 03-29-2007, 04:01 PM   #216
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Now that we have approximately 8000 miles on our 2006 Classic (28) foot we find black streaks of "soil" rising vertically between the carpet and the side wall in the bedroom. Lo and behold Oasis Airstream in Tucson says "there was no sealant between the chassis and side walls in the wheel wells." As roads were travelled the dirt and fine gravel worked its way into the "should have been sealed with undercoating seam". Fine gravel even worked its way into the compartment under the bed. Talk about a "Friday" Afternoon unit.
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Old 03-29-2007, 04:08 PM   #217
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I had a wheel well caulking issue on our 2004. There wasn't any on the front curbside trim.......

Would get a lake inside when towed in the rain. Static, I could have a monsoon, nothing, but when I towed and it was wet out!
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:00 PM   #218
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We have the same shower door set up. I didn't know that was called a "shub" myself. Combination shower/tub makes sense. Anyway, we had a leak in the same place. While in JC for body damage repair, they caulked it for us, but that seems to have not lasted very long. I think that is a condition of the brand of caulk used. Rich Luhr has the same set up and he has recommended a different brand of caulk that I think I will use to re-caulk this weekend before our next camping trip in two weeks.
Had the same problem with a leaking 'shub' (great term!). Anyway, I sealed it with white SikaFlex and haven't seen a drop since. Next on the sealing hit list is the awful silicone job JC did on the interior of the shower stall. You would think that workers who do the amount of sealing that an Airstream requires would be able to do a better job of it!!! ..................but then, caulking for me is sort of a Zen-like excersize of mind/body control and precision
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:14 AM   #219
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Some additional info has been presented about the outside alum of certain units.

If interested, please read this thread:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f142...ues-31743.html
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Old 05-05-2007, 09:39 PM   #220
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Red face 2006 Classic 25' Issues

I recently took my baby back to Bates RV in Tampa for repair. It included all 12v lights and fans in the rear of the coach that went out. The Shub enclosure that wouldn't retract after showering (fun), main door adjustment, light fixture lens that fell out and broke, oh and a check for the gas hot water heater that I had to have replaced. The asst service manager, Gary, was very accomodating and had everything fixed in less than a day, except for the Shub that was overnighted and installed the day it arrived. The rig was washed and really cleaned up purty. I was impressed with the attention the service staff paid to the repairs and am happy with their work. Only problem I've had since, was when backing into the campground and 'kissed' a tree. No skin damage, only light bumper dent. I'll take it in soon, somewhere.............
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:28 PM   #221
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I'm guessing 2006 was not a good build year.

Here's our story: (can't supply the build month since we are missing the "little metal plate that is riveted to the outside shell. "

2006 25" Safari

On our first trip out we found :

the sensor didn't work (at all)
the black and gray water tanks had the labelling switched
sink in the bathroom was rusted
the shower leaked
the rear escape hatch window leaked
the front window leaked
the door leaked
and assorted small things - missing latches, screws handles, etc

Jackson Center fixed everything but :
the sensor was replaced and still didn't work
the escape window was replaced and still leaks
the front window still leaks

the dealer installed another new sensor and bingo! it works
tried to fix leaks but no luck.

then the back ceiling vent broke. and the bug shield gasket began to come off.

got those fixed.

so 3 repairs visits in 6 months.
and IT STILL LEAKS!!

Probably the shoddiest large purchase item we have ever owned.

On the positive - Jackson Center and the dealer have been pleasant and easy to deal with. And we do love the stylish little guy. (they have personalities - don't they?)

Wonder if this is a Monday/Friday build? Or the year? Or the Safari?
We would like to upgrade but a snakebit about another Airstream right now.
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:53 AM   #222
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From what I gather, there was a period of rapid growth at Airstream. This began somewhere around 2003 or 2004. Some of this was because of the immense popularity of the CCD. They hired a lot of new folks to keep up with demand and there was a lot of "new protocols" for building the CCD that took a new mindset for building the units. These two factors contributed to a lag in quality.

As the work force at JC came up to speed with the new workers and new construction techniques quality began to improve. I don't think it is where it should be, but it is getting better. I think the quality really improved DURING the '06 model year. If your unit was produced during the beginning of the '06 model year, yours was produced during the tail end of the major quality issues.

We were fortunate that our unit was produced during January of '06 so it was near the end of the '06 model year and we got a good unit. I think in general, the quality has got better. There are still issues, but at least they are about average in quality instead of less than average. Will they get even better? I think so. There are rumors that a lot of the cabinetry is going to an automation process where now it is all hand cut and hand built. Machine cutting should improve the accuracy and fit and finish issues. I have hopes that things will get better within the next year or so when these automated cabinetry machines go on-line.
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We toured the factory in May of 2007 and the cabinets were being machine cut.
Just noticed today!! that some of the little warning labels inside are stuck on upside down!
Have heard Airstream called the "Cadillac of RVs" We've owned a Cadillac. It came off the lot perfect and has remained so. Sure can't be said for Airstream. We are in the process of invoking the lemon law.
I wonder if the Classics are built better? Maybe the workers try harder on the more expensive ones.
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We toured the factory in May of 2007 and the cabinets were being machine cut.
Just noticed today!! that some of the little warning labels inside are stuck on upside down!
Have heard Airstream called the "Cadillac of RVs" We've owned a Cadillac. It came off the lot perfect and has remained so. Sure can't be said for Airstream. We are in the process of invoking the lemon law.
I wonder if the Classics are built better? Maybe the workers try harder on the more expensive ones.
I just sold my Classic and will never own another Airstream. What a pile of crap!

Upside down labels? It just depends on how you look at them. Airstream/Thor management obviously view reality and quality differently from you and me.

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