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Old 09-14-2005, 05:15 PM   #1
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Rivet WallyWiki.org BETA

Last January I bought WallyWiki.org with the intent to setup a Wiki system to help capture the history of Airstream Trailers and Motorhomes. I have finally gotten around to setting up the basic framework for the system but need the help from our more technical members to keep evolving the framework.

If you don't know what a wiki is, then please give us a couple of months to get the system setup and then we will post more information about what it is, why the Airstream community needs one and how the Creative Commons license allows us to contribute and share the information for free as long as it is not for commercial purposes.

Sooo, if you are technically savy, know what a wiki is and willing to help get the system setup, please post to this thread and add your name to the home page of the new Wiki site...



This is going to be a fun project. If any of you want to help lead the effort please send me a PM and we can get you the admin rights needed to help get this going.

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Old 01-28-2006, 02:55 PM   #2
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Hey everyone. Some members are starting to work on Wally Wiki. If you know what a wiki is and want to help get this project going, please register and add your name to the home page.

This is going to be an awesome resource for the Airstream Community! Chip in today and be proud to be one of the founders of this project.

For those that don't know what a wiki is, stay tuned, once this project is going, you will see how it works!!!
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Very cool

I wish I had the smarts to help, but I do have the smarts to say this is going to be great! I love how this forum continues to grow, thrive and innovate. Thank you Andy .
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I might add that you don't have to be TOO tech savvy! Don't be afraid of this - step up to the plate.
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Hey everyone. Some members are starting to work on Wally Wiki. If you know what a wiki is and want to help get this project going, please register and add your name to the home page.
Seems like one of the first tasks would be to define what WallyWiki is and is not.

If it is just "the intent to setup a Wiki system to help capture the history of Airstream Trailers and Motorhomes"
Then it would seem that books like "AIRSTREAM The History of the Land Yacht" by Bryan Burkhart & David Hunt copywrite 2000 have already done a lot of this.

Am I missing the point?
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Old 01-28-2006, 09:52 PM   #6
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Wally's Wiki

Yes only in comparing the Wally Wiki with Wikipedia. Yes there is already an encyclopedia in book form out there but the wikipedia may now actually contain more information than a dozen sets of encyclopedias. There is no limit to the information that a wiki can contain.
WallyWiki is more than a history repository. The benefits of that alone are tremendous. Imagine what contributions that have not yet been documented in book form might exist out there that now can be. I bet there are people out there who actually knew Wally and have something to say about him and the history of Airstream.
But more than that the WallyWiki will serve as a repository for how-to's, and guides for any aspect of ownership in a structure that surpasses a forum. Yes a forum is good for communicating with other people but not the best option for documenting an overhaul. Look at Uwe thread on his trailer. There tons of responses to that thread and not all relevant to the topic. If Uwe were to combine all of his posts into an article in the WallyWiki specific to his year and make, that will be all the information in one place. Not only that but if someone else detects an error in something Uwe contributed to the wiki, that person can make a correction so the accuracy of information becomes less anecdotal and more factual.

I my self have information on out '77 Overlander that I will be contributing on our repairs and discoveries.

This is more than a history - it's a wiki. It's Wally's Wiki. Will you contribute?
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greeting wiki neophytes........

no offense toward ne1 that has signed up......but who among you has experience designing a wiki? or a web page? or using the syntax associated with a wiki? like most things binary this isn't hard to learn but techies tend to do this stuff. are some of you techies? it isn't particularly fun or exciting formatting a web site, home page or wiki......is it?

sure many might want to contribute content to a wiki site,
others might want to control/edit/delete someone else's contribution,
still others might want to promote a specific agenda or harp on one issue.

it's all possible and it's all content here or on a wiki.

most time tested experts on a given topic, who have the background and some understanding of the facts (not the same as knowing the facts) avoid wiki like sites. they don't want (understandably) someone else editing with out validation.

yes restorations, how to's and personal mods are important and make good reading....but history (a group of lies agreed to) should be keyed by the folks who actually have the history.

the wally history has been written in any of the nice trailer books available. there are a few very good wb and a/s historians occasionally posting here...and the wbcci has folks and airstream corp has folks.....

my understanding of andy's first post about this was he wanted......

"if you are technically savy, know what a wiki is and willing to help get the system setup"

and for others who want to do content, contribute and yadda, yadda.....we were to wait until some explanations were provided and design was revealed....

are some of you working on the design side now? has the design be revealed? has the notion be explained yet?

www.wiki.org

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiDesignPrinciples

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2air,

Take a look at wikipedia.org. It is not a sinister thing. It is a productive project. One that I have myself contributed to.

The wallywiki is a work in progress as are these forums and for that matter practically anything on the web. Hopefully you too will contribute in a positive way.

Do you have experience or have you contributed to a wiki before?
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Take a look at wikipedia.org. It is not a sinister thing.

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no where in my post did i suggest wikipedia or any wiki is a sinister thing. didn't use that word, didn't imply that, didn't suggest that, didn't think that....


i've used wikipedia for years if i need a quick reference on pop culture or simple history or links to other sites on a topic. but i also have read many listing on items where i have some knowledge depth. those entries usually leave me cringing. it's of no practical use to edit important subtle errors because someone/s with way more time and desire comes along and reposts popular but incorrect info. i'm a retired physician and former university professor. going to wiki for medical info is a very dangerous thing. fixing the info is useless.

i also have hobbies, interests and other avocations. some i'm pretty good with and the mistakes in the wikipedia are more entertaining.....like movie reviews or lay op/ed pieces....

my point was if you have to "look up" wiki you probably shouldn't be helping design the site.....and those are andy's words i paraphrase.

so again i'll ask do you have any experience in web design, wiki design, or any media design.....it's a simple question.

here's another question.....can you explain in 2 sentences what/how a wiki is designed/constructed.......not the content side...the architecture side......??

be honest and don't google for any answer.

my read of the his first post was to solicit those people......and we knowitalls would come later.

andy has an airstream but he is really a techie who has created a place where we can go discuss them, or travel or home repair or royalty or strength training.....it's great that he has used his special skills so the rest of us can add the content.

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Whoa doggie - reign in those horses.

I know what Andy said. What I am saying is that everyone can and should contribute. Even if they can't spell wiki. It is that simple. Let the folks who have more experience worry about the rest. Anybody could add a topic almost as easily as posting to the forums. Here on the forums, if you make a post in the wrong place, no problem - someone comes along and moves the post to the proper forum/subforum/child board. The wallywiki will work the same way.

My contributions to wikipedia have been contributed to many times over by others who made my original contribution look so much better. And you know what - god bless them for it. It is a collective effort where nobody should be made to feel like an idiot for a contribution that is less than standard. All contributions should be appreciated without question. If the contribution needs some help, fine - anybody can do that as well.

Being as you have experience with wikipewdia - and understand it's success, I am wondering the nature of the post you make because it sounds like a question the wallywiki. I for one will contribute... Will you?
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an example......todays feature article in wikipedia is on prostate cancer, a very important issue.

the mistakes and mis leading info in the piece are multiple....just to point out one......it suggests that vasectomy my be associated with an increase. the article used for reference is 13 years old! and has been beat to death by more recent info....12 years in medical research on a common disease is forever. also it suggests that "frequent ejaculation" (5 times per week) during the 20's may be protective....this data was obtained by asking old men 'the how often' question......30-40 years later! pleeeeeeeeease. lots of partners isn't a factor but infection is.......hummmmmm.....guess what infection is associated with.....yea......frequent partners.

my point is any/many going to wiki for prostate cancer info is at real risk.

i didn't post that i understand wikipedia's success, i didn't imply it, don't think it. never mentioned the issue of "success".

i do think it is popular and that's not the same thing as successful.

my original question was 'who on the list knows anything about format/design/construction of a wiki?

not who wants to be supportive or join in.....with content. sure we can correct/modify each others content....but i'm curious about how knows design....

'you know what andy said, you know what you said' but do you understand what i asked...it's simple.

and yes i knew better than to step into this exchange with you, so now i'm steppin out...

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Well to start with Andy know web & knows wiki.

I know web and wiki - I have several sites under my belt, you have surely seen mine. The link is in my signature if not.

As for errors such as what you saw on wikipedia, those surely will be corrected by somebody. What book have you or anyone ever read that didn't have an error? The good thing with the wiki is that once found, you don't have to tell anybody about it. You just go ahead and fix it. Problem solved.

And wiki is self policing and self structuring. Errors do get corrected as they will on the wallywiki. So I look forward to seeing your contribution.
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Just like nearly everything in life, there are positive and negative aspects of wiki system. In the end it is tool to help us capture knowledge in another form. This discussion was brought up in an effort to bring life to this project. As it evolves it will be easier for all members to contribute.

I will be maintaining the backend infrastructure of the WallyWiki.

The content will be licensed under the Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs license which allows you to:
  • to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work
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Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by WallyWiki.

Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes.

No Derivative Works. You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work.
  • For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work.
  • Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder
We have lots of pages to create including (but not limited to) instructional pages on how to use the site, requirements for attribution, categories (taxonomy), etc. Please give us some time to get the skeleton of this site going.

Also, a special thanks to all those that have added their names and are willing to help get this going. It will be really special to look back in a few years and know that you were one of the first people to get this Open Source project going.
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It does have a place - why not? If it is airstream related, it is in.
As Andy stated on the wikis purpose - to archive the history of Airstream Trailers and Motorhomes and also create guides, how to's and other projects for us to collaborate on.
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