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Old 10-26-2007, 12:37 PM   #29
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The New Posts link on the blue menu bar overhead will show all recent posts that a member has not yet looked at -- page after page of them. This can help one understand the posting sequence and the pace at which threads are posted to.

Mods can move threads between subforums; eg, a polishing thread would be moved into Exterior Restoration if it was originally placed under Boondocking. Moderators cannot alter the date & time stamp on a post or thread -- this is important to understand. The latest 30 time-and-dated posts show up on the portal page and mods cannot affect that either -- it's just not in the software.
Hi Bob; I have been fully aware how the new thread or replies bump down preceding post, however this is not what I am talking about. In the past [without quoting specifics] I have monitored my posts. Within 15 minutes and after only two new incoming replies, and no other incoming posts, my post has been moved to sub forums. We are not speaking about 29 new incoming posts or replies that pushed my post down the page. Someone had to move it to the Sub Forums. In reference to my posts, I do not believe that I have made a single post that was out of the Forums perimeters, that would have basis for deletion of the post.

In regards to everyones concern about my comment about OFF TOPIC issue, I am not denying anyone their fun, although blowing up a trailer is not my cup of tea after watching my buddies being blown up during a two year period. While the forums are open, the shear volume of incoming Off Topic posts, are forcing the rest of us to spend more time to scroll down through it, so that we can find something meaningfull that is associated with Airstream. I do not believe that "Off Topic posts" have been the original intended mark of the organizer. Those of you who cannot survive without it, should ask for separate page known as "Off Topic New Posts". This will permit you to have your kind of fun and the rest of us can enjoy things associated with Airstream. Thank you, "Boatdoc"
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:06 PM   #30
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hey boatdoc

i'm not a mod/admin but will jump in here too.

i read at least 3 issues in your o.p.

1. 'who moderates the mods and do they have written defined guidelines/policy?

many of us have asked this question and often the thread/post with this query gets deleted or closed.

here is what happens (at least in my imaginary reconstruction)...

the mod/admins have their own private threads on a variety of issues and members....

they exchange ideas and tips on dealing with these problems.

after awhile bits of this becomes 'policy' , some well documented and some not.

some mods are expert 'spam fighters' and zap it away so quickly/cleanly that members never see it, including other mods.

some mods do other clean up issues and shuffle posts. same transparency applies.

some threads/posts/members create the sort of issues that require more thought and effort from the mod/admin folks...

so the mods powwow, temporarily pull something or alter it until a final solution is developed.

this process (pulling, debating, restoring, edit/delete) is always in evolution...

and for the most part has improved over time.

then a BRAND NEW DILEMMA appears and the cooks cook up something new...

most of the mods 'are humans 2' and occasionally do goofy things...

there flame someone or whack a post or yell "stop it" at the wrong time...

again they all powwow and eventually fix whatever the impulsive person did...

till next time.

2. why did my posts move?

occasionally someone posts a new thread or reply in the wrong sub section.

IF a mod/admin is on and sees it and acts, it may be relocated very quickly.

this should NOT alter where on the list of current posts it is, however.

IF you feel like your posts are being moved unfairly take your concern directly to andyR.

sure some mods might be able to help you, but they may also be the one responsible and ignore your concern.

worse they may offer you a halfarse reply. so IF you don't like the results/action, take it up a notch!

administrators have different access and 'powers' than moderators

so the more involved the issue is, or the greater YOUR concern, KICK IT UP a level...

some with power can/do abuse it but others seem to balance out this fact in life...

3. too much non a/s specific stuff here is not the intent of these forums...

perhaps but i've been on many other forums where the off topic area REALLY is way off...

polictics, current events, religion, near porn, and so on, and without much removed...

many here would actually LIKE an area like this.

it's really hard to know the 'intent' of these forums since they do continue to evolve (not the same as improve) and expand.

lastly i do enjoy some of your repair info, but i seldom read those threads.

because for the most part restoration and "10 ways to clean a wingnut"

are tooooooo far off topic for me and really a lot of the rehab threads are games too

cheers
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:39 PM   #31
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hey boatdoc

i'm not a mod/admin but will jump in here too.

i read at least 3 issues in your o.p.

1. 'who moderates the mods and do they have written defined guidelines/policy?

many of us have asked this question and often the thread/post with this query gets deleted or closed.

here is what happens (at least in my imaginary reconstruction)...

the mod/admins have their own private threads on a variety of issues and members....

they exchange ideas and tips on dealing with these problems.

after awhile bits of this becomes 'policy' , some well documented and some not.

some mods are expert 'spam fighters' and zap it away so quickly/cleanly that members never see it, including other mods.

some mods do other clean up issues and shuffle posts. same transparency applies.

some threads/posts/members create the sort of issues that require more thought and effort from the mod/admin folks...

so the mods powwow, temporarily pull something or alter it until a final solution is developed.

this process (pulling, debating, restoring, edit/delete) is always in evolution...

and for the most part has improved over time.

then a BRAND NEW DILEMMA appears and the cooks cook up something new...

most of the mods 'are humans 2' and occasionally do goofy things...

there flame someone or whack a post or yell "stop it" at the wrong time...

again they all powwow and eventually fix whatever the impulsive person did...

till next time.

2. why did my posts move?

occasionally someone posts a new thread or reply in the wrong sub section.

IF a mod/admin is on and sees it and acts, it may be relocated very quickly.

this should NOT alter where on the list of current posts it is, however.

IF you feel like your posts are being moved unfairly take your concern directly to andyR.

sure some mods might be able to help you, but they may also be the one responsible and ignore your concern.

worse they may offer you a halfarse reply. so IF you don't like the results/action, take it up a notch!

administrators have different access and 'powers' than moderators

so the more involved the issue is, or the greater YOUR concern, KICK IT UP a level...

some with power can/do abuse it but others seem to balance out this fact in life...

3. too much non a/s specific stuff here is not the intent of these forums...

perhaps but i've been on many other forums where the off topic area REALLY is way off...

polictics, current events, religion, near porn, and so on, and without much removed...

many here would actually LIKE an area like this.

it's really hard to know the 'intent' of these forums since they do continue to evolve (not the same as improve) and expand.

lastly i do enjoy some of your repair info, but i seldom read those threads.

because for the most part restoration and "10 ways to clean a wingnut"

are tooooooo far off topic for me and really a lot of the rehab threads are games too

cheers
2air'
Hi 2airishuman; Thank you for very direct explanation. It is well taken and understood. Thank you for taking the time to explain straight to the point. Regards, "Boatdoc"
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:39 PM   #32
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The key is that if we relocate a post to get it into the correct forum, it absolutely does not affect its position on the portal page that shows the last 30 posts. I've seen my own posts that I have just done, be half way down the page on the portal within seconds of my post. There are sometimes just that many posts going on, all being transmitted to the server within seconds that can cause things to scroll that quickly.

As to moving a post to the sub forums. Yes we will do that if we see a post that is better suited to that locale. We do that to keep proper perspective so that folks who work on that level will see all the posts. For example I take care of the trailer forum and the subforums below that. If I catch a post that talks about a 2001 Safari and is in the general section of the trailer forum, I'll make a judgement as to whether that post's content is specifically a 2001 issue. If it is, I'll relocate it there. If not it stays in its original position.

Bottom line that new post still shows in the last 30 posts portal (as long as it lasts there), and it's still in the new post list. It just resides in an area more appropriate. The mods aren't perfect on this and obviously it's our opinon. Also we don't always see every post and so there may be some exceptions that you can pull out where we didn't catch that post.

Hope that explains it. We however will not remove a post unless we contact the poster. We sometimes make mistakes and accidently remove something when attempting to do something else. When it happens we again inform the poster. I can tell you I did that last week and I immediately informed the poster that I had screwed up and accidently removed his post.

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Old 10-26-2007, 01:44 PM   #33
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Boatdoc,

I think you may be experiencing the same thing I have. I believe it's a bug in the forum software.

For example, this morning I responded to a post about an electrical connection for someone picking up a trailer.

I shut down the browser and did some work.

Later, when I connected to the forum, it was nowhere to be found. Not on the portal page and not under New Posts. The only way I could find it is if I did an advanced search looking for my forum name.

This has been happening for quite awhile for me.
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Denny, the thread didn't disappear but your authorship went away when I posted to the same thread 7-8 minutes later.

Moderators function out in the open on our side of the curtain. We try to maintain a policy of reporting minor actions in a mod thread. We might seek consensus from online mods or wait for more mods to log in if there are major actions being considered. We strive for consistent policies thru these methods and we will change directions if good judgement points that way.
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:03 PM   #35
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Later, when I connected to the forum, it was nowhere to be found. Not on the portal page and not under New Posts. The only way I could find it is if I did an advanced search looking for my forum name.

This has been happening for quite awhile for me.
Here's an explanation:

1) "Not on the portal page"...posts were placed to 30 other threads after your post.
2) "and not under New Posts"...if nobody posted a reply to your thread since you did, it would not be "new" to you - thus not show up as such. You were the last poster > you've read it > it's not new to you until somebody adds new info. Once you've looked at it, it's not "new" to you but maybe to someone else.

Suggestion: Try the "Today's Posts"...it'll show up if it's been within 24 hours - even if it has not received additional posts.

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... To keep from missing out on anything, use the "New Posts" sort selection. It will show you ALL the threads that have been posted to since your last visit - whether it be an hour, two weeks, a month or year ago. Think of it as your customized portal page - this shows all the threads, not just the last 30 like the Portal Page.

The other thing I find helpful about using the "New Posts" sort tab is that it shows a little more about the posts that appear there. It shows the forum they are posted to in the right hand column. This makes it very easy to scan down the list and skip over the off-topic or subject matter that doesn't interest you at the moment...

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Thanks for mentioning this, Shari. This is excellent advice, and it's something I have been doing since the beginning. I thought everyone knew about this, It immediately lets you know what the current topics are. I also set my browser so my recently visited links are colored bright red. This lets me know, at a glance, the treads I have recently visited, and makes it easier to pass by the ones that are of little interest.
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Here's an explanation:

1) "Not on the portal page"...posts were placed to 30 other threads after your post.
2) "and not under New Posts"...if nobody posted a reply to your thread since you did, it would not be "new" to you - thus not show up as such. You were the last poster > you've read it > it's not new to you until somebody adds new info. Once you've looked at it, it's not "new" to you but maybe to someone else.

Suggestion: Try the "Today's Posts"...it'll show up if it's been within 24 hours - even if it has not received additional posts.

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This thread is a perfect example. It does not show up on the portal page or under new posts for me but it does show up in "Today's Posts".
It seems to me that if I respond to a thread and even if someone else responds after me, like Bob did on the other thread, I don't see it on the portal page or under new threads if I leave the forum and come back later.
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I do not believe that I have made a single post that was out of the Forums perimeters, that would have basis for deletion of the post.
I would agree with you completely.
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Stay tuned though...there is another change in the wind that may effect the perception of 'slow portal churn' ~
Two weeks ago the final push started and this just happened tonight -- see http://www.airforums.com/forums/f161...ums-37219.html.
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Now I've had a post removed. Gave some advice to someone, it worked and THEN the post was removed. MMmmm VERY INTERESTING
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FlaAirstream is going to get some info to me via PM. I checked Axlewars XXVIII (a.k.a. Groundhog Day LXII) and he wasn't involved in that action.

[on edit: I believe I found the thread FlaAirstream mentioned and PM'ed him of the results. I don't believe anything is missing but cannot confirm this with him 'on the road.' Happy travels Gary!]
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