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Old 06-15-2008, 12:08 PM   #169
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Fyrzowt, go to your profile page, then the tab "About Me" and at the bottom of all the things you can change is one for supporting members to eliminate the classified thing. At least that's how I interpret it.

I don't think any of it is an "underhanded trick" nor do I think Howie said that either. I do think it's a mistake. If I didn't think mistakes couldn't be changed I'd not bother ranting, explaining, or whatever.

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Old 06-15-2008, 12:40 PM   #170
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...I've figured it out, I think. If you are a "supporting member" (i.e., pay to play) you don't have to have the annoying sparkly classifieds thing—it's an option.

This further annoys me. First of all, without all the members, this Forum wouldn't exist. All members should be equal.
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Gene, you're a valued member, but I can't agree with you on this one. Yes, all members are valued, but the forum wouldn't exist without some method of support, whether donations, advertising, or some other method. Some other method might be to go back to something like the old karma system and give free supporting memberships to the top 3% of the active posters, judged by the quality of their posts, not the frequency (that's sorta how the old karma system worked, sorta). What's an "active" poster--once a week, once a month? I don't know.

There may be other ideas out there that would provide another routes to favored status. Gee, what about being a moderator--is that in the same category? This is definitely a difficult issue.

Supportingm members "support" by making small payments, payments that are many times repaid by the value received from forum postings and other services.

Those members who aren't in the supporting member category provide "support" by allowing themselves to be subject to additional advertising--sorry, nothing is free, but this comes close to it. But est you think I missed one of your points, I agree that all members support the forums by posting their ideas, observations, and comments--it's just that that is only half of the success equation for the forums.

Therefore, I my judgment is that we all "support" the forums. If the advertising or other features annoy you, I think you have the right to say so, and you did. But you also have the option to become a supporting member--your choice. I know for some members economics might be an issue, but the options are open to everyone.

This forum is so important to me that I made my initial donation before I knew there were any benefits from doing so. I continue to feel that way. I hope others do, too.

I also appreciate Andy's open-door policy that lets us vent--I've taken advantage of that several times myself.

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Old 06-15-2008, 01:05 PM   #171
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...All members should be equal...
hi gene AND zep...

there IS history on these issues, just not in THIS thread.

and actually the thread with the most remaining (undeleted) info has been closed, but is readable....

here

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f138...age-28559.html

so how's you like to have ur name in ORANGE?

btw there was HEAVY punishments handed out related to the above thread,

and some honest, direct but UN-flatteringly true posts were deleted...

ask me how i know

many of us that have forked over $ didn't want the 'in your face' tag so thankfully the orange is gone,

and we can now turn off the "I GAVE MONEY" labeling...

BUT I DO like getting some extra features for the $$ side of my meager contributions....

and while you found the 'close ad' button,

turning it OFF currently DOES NOT work, 4me...

these forums have gyrated several times on titles, class issues, member tags and so on.

we used to have these exchanges IN threads, till someone got wacky or an insecure key master stepped in...

now i suspect the gatekeepers have these exchanges privately, since they are SO MUCH wiser as 10 vs 25,000....

here are a couple more of the harmless (but with some insight) threads.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f138...ire-30450.html

and here is one that became funny thanks to zep'r the hijacker n zombie resurrector ...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f138...-think-24.html

lastly IF ya want some insight (mine) into the active member stats they are here in post #5...

taking a cue from the zep i defibrillated a 5 year dead, thread...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...member-34.html

read these threads and SAVE what's relevant because old threads on these issues seem to vanish...

after linked for reading now.

we have 1000s of folks registered here, which may not be the same as a member...

who have NEVER posted.

they read threads and the archives and looks at pix and shop the classified.

i'm ALL for cleaning up use for the frequent flyers (as zep suggests) and have a love/hate brain on the $$ thing....

my understanding is....

the other forums in this family of communities (some MUCH larger) don't ask for or need member $$$...

yet.

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Old 06-15-2008, 01:35 PM   #172
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Fyrzowt, go to your profile page, then the tab "About Me" and at the bottom of all the things you can change is one for supporting members to eliminate the classified thing...
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hi gene AND zep...

and while you found the 'close ad' button,

turning it OFF currently DOES NOT work, 4me...

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I found it, but it doesn't seem to work for me either. (I do like the new "multi-quote" thing though.
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:44 PM   #173
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I found it, but it doesn't seem to work for me either.
I am still working on making that option live. It will work soon, I had to ask a developer about some template conditional logic.

Thanks for the input on some of the other topics covered. I will take the info/thoughts into consideration when evaluating some future changes. Also, please note the corner page peel no longer flashes.

Mac users, I will be able to do some testing next week when I am back in Dallas and have my Mac around (typically I am a Windows person). To make sure I understand, you are saying that link in the top right do not work unless you activate the page peel. Once the page peel has folded down and then gone back to the smaller state the links work? I see ArtStream said he was using Firefox 2.0 are the other using this or Opera?
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:10 PM   #174
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Fyrzowt, go to your profile page, then the tab "About Me" and at the bottom of all the things you can change is one for supporting members to eliminate the classified thing. At least that's how I interpret it.
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As far as I can tell, as a Windows operating system and Fire Fox user, this option

If you have upgraded your account (more details) and do not want to show the Supporting Member enhancments (text below your avatar, gold rivet next to your username) click the box below.

does nothing. I tried it. It did not remove the (text below your avatat, gold rivets next to your username).

Also the option click the box below. Remove the Page Peel from the upper right corner.

did nothing either


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Old 06-15-2008, 02:17 PM   #175
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I have had similar problem, <snip> while typing a Reply. If I attempt to move the cursor back several words in my typing, to correct something, the cursor will not set that that point. If I move further back in the post the cursor will take and I can then move it forward to the point I want to correct.
I've had the same problem. That and the freeze up until I click the flashy ad thingie ~

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Sometimes I'm a little slow, but I've figured it out, I think. If you are a "supporting member" (i.e., pay to play) you don't have to have the annoying sparkly classifieds thing—it's an option.
Really? I can turn it off? How??? Do tell ~ or point me to where it says how.

I already tried this, to no avail:
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go to your profile page, then the tab "About Me" and at the bottom of all the things you can change is one for supporting members to eliminate the classified thing.

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Old 06-15-2008, 02:21 PM   #176
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Mac users, I will be able to do some testing next week when I am back in Dallas and have my Mac around (typically I am a Windows person). To make sure I understand, you are saying that link in the top right do not work unless you activate the page peel. Once the page peel has folded down and then gone back to the smaller state the links work? I see ArtStream said he was using Firefox 2.0 are the other using this or Opera?
Andy: I'm using Mac OS 10.4.11, Firefox 2.0.0.4... That's correct, but it seems to come and go...I haven't been able to duplicate it today. Weird.
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:26 PM   #177
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Andy, Let me get this straight—the classified sparkly thing no longer sparkles, flashes, or otherwise annoys?! You have been listening (actually, reading)! I haven't read your post wrong?

And, in case I have been misread or I miswrote, I don't object to advertising, I do object to in-your-face advertising. Over the years I have developed the ability to mostly ignore all other advertising unless I'm looking for something specific, so most of it doesn't bother me. I know the "suggested donation" isn't much, but ever since I bought our Safari, I have been shoveling money out and I'm getting tired of it (plus cheapness runs in my family). So far as the terminology, "supporting" implies there are nonsupporting members—I don't have any solution in particular. I do believe the term is unfortunate.

A nonprofit organization in which I am active debates about whether to acknowledge major donors in our newspaper—same issue. People should be acknowledged for whatever contributions they make, but should it be public? I like more rivets, and that is the same question, though I could make 500 idiotic posts (only 22 more on the idiot meter!) and get to be a "master". What feeds the ego? Orange names? Diamond shaped rivets? A bumper sticker?

I went back over all the links on 2air's post #171 and found these numbers he calculated from a year ago:
"zero posts......13,150 members
one post..........2,400 members
two posts.........1,100 members
three posts.........700 members
four posts...........450 members
five posts...........350 members
6-10 posts..........900 membersso

"that's 19,000 members with 10 or fewer posts


"11-50 posts............1,350 members
51-100 posts.............350 members
101-250 posts............250 members
251-500 posts............100 members
>than 500 posts.........170 members

also there are 1000s who have not logged in for 2 years or more..."

Why did they drop out? Has anyone ever checked it out—e-mailed them, called them, etc.?

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Old 06-15-2008, 02:28 PM   #178
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Wow. I thought this was a thread to report bugs in the new software.
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My Quick links is now not working.new post tab not showing.was not before.for 2 days.
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Really? I can turn it off? How??? Do tell ~ or point me to where it says how.
The code to hide the ad (triggered by that check box) is not in place yet. I will get it added ASAP. I am just waiting for a programmer to get me some code I need to make it work. I'll post an update about this as soon as it's done.
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I don't object to advertising, I do object to in-your-face advertising. Over the years I have developed the ability to mostly ignore all other advertising unless I'm looking for something specific, so most of it doesn't bother me.
That's probably why the Page Peel was invented (because other forms have become overlooked). I suspect Page Peels will also become less effective with time also. It actually takes up very little screen space and only expands if you click on it. It's designed to be less invasive and take up less screen real estate while still providing an advertiser space to deliver a message.
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I know the "suggested donation" isn't much, but ever since I bought our Safari, I have been shoveling money out and I'm getting tired of it (plus cheapness runs in my family). So far as the terminology, "supporting" implies there are nonsupporting members—I don't have any solution in particular. I do believe the term is unfortunate.
Sorry, I don't want to go back to this old debate. There was no clear winner then and probably wouldn't be now if we started the debate again. I am willing to listen to suggestions but please do this via PM. I really don't think it's good for the community to get caught up on semantics of things like this.
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Why did they drop out? Has anyone ever checked it out—e-mailed them, called them, etc.?
We have some members who have left as the community grew larger (they liked the smaller size it used to be), we have had many members who have sold their Airstreams and moved onto SOBs. I don't think many left because they felt left out over the Supporting Member label given to those that have upgraded though.
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My Quick links is now not working.new post tab not showing.was not before.for 2 days.
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