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Old 10-13-2006, 09:31 AM   #85
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One key objective of the FCU was to create a unit for those of us who want to use the internet for meetings and polls. We are looking for a substitute for face-to-face meetings.
Ken,

I agree totally with your approach, and kudos to you. The people in FCU 'select-in' by using the forums and are internet savvy. I think you are the ideal for how WBCCI can evolve.

But your group is not leaving behind a group of shareholders who may have belonged to WBCCI for years, and would feel dis-enfranchised because they don't belong to the airstreamforums.
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Old 10-13-2006, 09:35 AM   #86
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hi ken...

i support the newnewmex unit.

and a model that uses cyber communication primarily really interests me...

i'd like to see a national unit for full timers,
mals and others that aren't interested in the current local units...

and as mark points out. IF that unit existed signing up,
would bind the membership to the features, rules and limitations of that unit...

just like joining any local unit...

yahoo groups make it very easy for anyone to share info, pics, polls, calendars and so on with others....

it would seem that the fcu planners should be there or other similar websites...planning, meeting, chatting and so on...

pretending to be a unit and being given 'private unit forum' status here really is sticking it to the wb....that's fine i guess.

but it lowers the credibility of a/f.com imo....

i disagree with the denial letter you received,
but one item in it seemed to suggest the writer was against 'cyber units' and
that real meetings may be key feature of unit charters....

i don't agree with this but it seems to be an issue the wb will need to address for units like yours or a mal unit to appear and prosper...

private areas here aren't good for the wbcci or a/f.com....

you know, how about a super enhanced account?
anyone who pays 50$ can have a private thread....
they can accept or deny others access and then have private chats....
wouldn't that be cool?
it would draw in new members for sure and money too!

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Old 10-13-2006, 09:46 AM   #87
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. . . . As long as you're just opening up the forum for discussion, not decisionmaking, then it's just enhancing your unit's government by opening up new lines of communication. .
Not what was said in post #1.

Decisionmaking will be done in the private forums, even if the participants don't acknowlege it. Politicking will happen.

And who gets to select the moderator? Now that's a pretty powerful position for someone who isn't elected by the membership.

It's a zero net sum game. Whatever happens in the private forums will not happen in the WBCCI. Who is going to volunteer to set up a website for a WBCCI unit if it is already happening at the airstreamforums? Who will want to challenge the airstreamforums?
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:10 AM   #88
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Not what was said in post #1.

Decisionmaking will be done in the private forums, even if the participants don't acknowlege it. Politicking will happen.
My understanding is that it will be up to the unit what takes place on the unit's forum. Right now, in the New England Unit, any decisions that require a vote of the membership takes place in a face-to-face meeting. Decisions that are up to the NEU Board are done privately (possibly even using - gasp! -- the internet!). Maybe the forum would open up those private discussions a little and help the board to get some member feedback before they make decisions.

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Who is going to volunteer to set up a website for a WBCCI unit if it is already happening at the airstreamforums? Who will want to challenge the airstreamforums?
I'm talking about the topic of this thread -- unit forums, not unit websites. The unit websites have been scattered all over private servers everywhere. I don't know anything about the WBCCI effort to bring them under the main WBCCI site. Setting up a forum is a different matter. After seeing all the resistance here, I wouldn't look for the WBCCI to be doing it anytime soon. So, thanks again to ASForums for providing this new tool for WBCCI members.

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Old 10-13-2006, 10:48 AM   #89
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I don't think anything has been officially decided yet with regards to NEU participation. Informal preliminary discussions were held at the fall business meeting and most were against it. The way things were left was that Chuck would investigate it and report back to the BOD. I haven't seen a report yet so I can only assume that Chuck hasn't finished his investigation/write-up.
I didn't know I was supposed to file a written report...
but I did investigate. At this point, I think everyone knows as much as I do about it. It is what it is...a simple tool. the question is whether to use it, and how. That is something that as the newest member of the BOD, am the least qualified to say.
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Technically, for this to be approved for the NEU, it needs to go thru a few "formal" steps:
before we even do that, we have to figure out exactly what it is we're proposing. is there even a need for private discussion amongst:
a) all unit members
b) just the BOD
c) both
d) neither
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Seems to me, maybe "b". But some don't even think that is a good idea. Again, I think I'm too new to even know if there's a need. But if there is, at least this small group could make use of the tool without being exclusionary.
Anything involving the unit as a whole, it seems to me, shouldn't be private. Perhaps we could simply request a sub-forum for NEU under the existing wbcci forum section, that would be open for any and all to see, for informal discussion. "Official business" would have to remain the way it is now. It wouldn't be a "change", but an "enhancement".
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:54 AM   #90
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do posts in private forums count toward 'member post totals'?

will there be seperate post counts for private/public?

will members in private threads get different rivets?

will private posts be subject to karma and reporting to moderators?

will members be able to post different private profiles inside the private threads?

will there be different personal member info inside a private thread?

will they have different avatars in the private threads...

will the new private thread moderators be able to have just lone long thread or
subtopic threads on rallys, votes, minutes, meetings, member intros, campsites, repairs, for sale....and so on?

once logged into the private section will members be able to go to any public thread too or will they be required to log out private and log back in for public?

special rules for private thread users? of course......it's private.

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Old 10-13-2006, 11:38 AM   #91
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. . . But if there is, at least this small group could make use of the tool without being exclusionary.
Anything involving the unit as a whole, it seems to me, shouldn't be private. Perhaps we could simply request a sub-forum for NEU under the existing wbcci forum section, that would be open for any and all to see, for informal discussion. "Official business" would have to remain the way it is now. It wouldn't be a "change", but an "enhancement".
Golly, that seem like a most reasonable idea. Karma at 'ya.

I think having a private forum for BOD, and a public one for general unit discussion or rally planning is a great idea.

No "official business" (unless by charter amendment, approved by the Unit) is a good idea.
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But if there is, at least this small group could make use of the tool without being exclusionary.
Isn't this a contradiction in terms? How can it be just a small group and not exclusionary at the same time?
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Right now, in the New England Unit, any decisions that require a vote of the membership takes place in a face-to-face meeting. Decisions that are up to the NEU Board are done privately (possibly even using - gasp! -- the internet!).
Some clarifications...

1) Not all voting has to be done via face-to-face meetings. How voting is handled on issues is determined by the President -- it can be done via mailed ballot or by face-to-face meetings.

2) Executive BOD meetings are just that -- meetings where certain club business is discussed/voted on only by BOD. Typically, those types of meetings consist of mundance business and don't cover earth-shattering issues such as the WBCCI name change. In cases where it is deemed that member input is needed, then it is opened up to member input via publication thru the Quipper and mail in ballot or business meeting voting.

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Maybe the forum would open up those private discussions a little and help the board to get some member feedback before they make decisions.
If this did happen, then the non-Internet folks would be excluded from giving their feedback before the decision was made and hence left out of the process.
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Isn't this a contradiction in terms? How can it be just a small group and not exclusionary at the same time?
not really. the board itself, by definition, is exclusive already. I'm fairly certain that every member of the BOD has internet access, so internet based communications would not exclude anyone in this small group; Not so, with the 100+ general membership.
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For those who don't/can't attend business meetings but are interested in club business, it's already unfair that they don't have any opportunity to participate in the discussion.
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Yes, they do have an opportunity to participate. In the NEU, the business meeting agendas are publicized in the snail-mailed newsletter a certain amount of days in advance of the meeting. If members want to participate on a particular issue and can't attend the meeting, they write a letter which is included as part of the meeting discussion.
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Yes, they do have an opportunity to participate. In the NEU, the business meeting agendas are publicized in the snail-mailed newsletter a certain amount of days in advance of the meeting. If members want to participate on a particular issue and can't attend the meeting, they write a letter which is included as part of the meeting discussion.
I think that is an acceptable way to participate in the discussion. I do have to ask if emails are accepted in the same manner are only letters allowed?

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not really. the board itself, by definition, is exclusive already.
Exactly. The board is a small exclusive group. So whenever the board meets as a small exclusive group they are being exclusionary, excluding others. It's not a non-exclusionary meeting.
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I think that is an acceptable way to participate in the discussion. I do have to ask if emails are accepted in the same manner are only letters allowed?

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Any type of communication channel is acceptable. I have even taken dictation over the telephone and then brought the notes to the meeting for the person who couldn't attend.
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