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Old 10-12-2006, 01:32 PM   #57
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We have been trying to support the WBCCI since our inception. We host 8 WBCCI unit websites for FREE (all we require are links back) and this is just another service we are offering the Airstream community.

I think it is a great way for an organization like WBCCI to take advantage of a FREE service and hopefully it will bring some new members to our community.

I suspect that if someone posts about polishing, rivets, axles, etc in a unit forum, they will quickly be directed to another thread. Also, over time they will learn that if they want lots of quality replies, they should post in the open forums.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned this already but these forums are even private from our moderators. The administrators can view the forums but are asked to not read the discussions unless asked by the unit leader about a forum issue, etc.

Every coin has two sides and I do understand your view that this creates private areas (as you are calling segregation) but the flip side of that is the benefits to the units to streamline their communications/operations. If we can help them out, then I say we at least try and see how it goes...
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:33 PM   #58
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Stuff like, "our unit's equipment trailer has a flat tire, and needs to be fixed. do we need to get approval from the membership at the spring business meeting (6 months from now!), or can we appropriate funds now so we can get the thing fixed, and bring the equipment TO the spring business meeting?".
I remember one rally where the 'quick business meeting' after breakfast ended up being an hour of discussing the equipment trailer, every last detail of what was in it, and where they were going to store it, and if the broken coffee pots could be fixed. It went on forever..and ever..and ever...

But see, we have meetings at rallys because everyone is so far apart, it's the only time they are all together. But now we can use the net, and people who are far flung can be more involved if they want to be. And people who don't want to hear about the equipment trailer can skip that thread There are also times you might want to discuss things that don't belong in public, like the health of another unit member.

And getting people used to using the forum will give them the opportunity to have a presence here in the public forums, planning rallys and stuff like that, that might bring in new members. I just see this as such a win-win for any unit that wants to take advantage of it.

I'm very tempted to stick it out another year just to see what happens
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:45 PM   #59
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The intent here was to offer a venue for the biz activities of a unit of interest to unit members - not to isolate a conversation of interest to all streamers. As I said earlier, this is a brand new adventure, we are find our way as we go. This is an interesting conversation....
Why not limit postings on the Private Unit Forums to solely "mundane" and dull boring unit business matters, so 2air won't feel he is missing out on somerthing exciting or of human interest? Besides, if anything appears there which is the least bit juicy, tintilating or explosive, I'll bet that Private Unit Forum will sping a leak and the goodies will dribble out into public view. OTOH, keeping those Unit biz Forums open just might cure those insomniacs who troll the Forums during the wee morning hours because they cannot get to sleep. Keeping them open might be a worthwhile public service, eh?
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:03 PM   #60
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many of the replies here offer the notion that this new feature is free, free, free...

like free is good.

first it isn't free not really.
it will take space, time, moderation and
because these are segregated areas of an otherwise open forum...

freedom is exactly what is limited...

but let me mention why free isn't always good and why not seeing the dangers and risks does not mean they aren't present...

this is a medical example.

Adult men are at risk for a common form of cancer. many die from it but many more die for other reasons while never knowing they have it....

there is a simple blood test that screens for it, the test cost 100$.
a group decided to offer the test FREE to all adult men past a certain age...

free is good right?

what happened?

more men died, were permanetly harmed or suffered as a result of the free test.

why?

because some tests were falsely positive.
those folks had more tests, biopsies and operations.
and some died or were harmed by the further medical intervents, and as a result of the original FREE test they would not have had otherwise...

how does this even remotely apply to this web site?

it is a simple example of how good intentions can and DO lead to BAD outcomes...

here is a simple forum example...

one big issue here is server security. i don't know how much effort goes into protecting the servers, the info, our private data and so on...

but i appreciate what ever IS done.

and like mac users we are somewhat ignored by hackers...

why?

because all the information here is available to anyone who joins...and most of it is searchable...

no need to hack the website...not really. just join and read.

so now lets introduce PRIVATE areas....
with mundane info but also with meeting minutes, votes, officer opinions and anything else a limited group wants to keep private....

imo private areas WILL increase the risk of malicious entry into the servers....
whenever info is kept secret SOMEONE will appear who wants into it.....

not a question of if but when and how often...

think i'm crazy?

have you been to the wally wiki site?
every time i've visited i've had to wade through the filth and porn and hijacks...
so much so that it is not worth visiting.
and i suspect the folks tending the site have spent more time cleaning it than posting content...

so that is just one way private areas may increase the risk for each of us who use the open free forums here....

and this issue will not be free...

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IT people, bless their hearts are not all that careful as a group.
they often do things that later bite them or others in the 4$$....
because they didn't 'see the harm in it'

you don't need examples really...aol? the va? the irs? mastercard?
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:08 PM   #61
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some have noted yahoo groups or google groups can be made private....
that is exactly why any unit can have a private group for business issues right now in 20 minutes set up time....
doing it here doesn't help any wbcci unit...not really, only those that can't do for themselves.

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Keeping them open might be a worthwhile public service, eh?
well fred that would be a better approach....

again for me the issue isn't wbcci threads, it is PRIVATE threads of any sort.

but these unit threads could be made 'viewable' to everyone

while only approved members could post to them...

just like the guest vs member format we already use for everything else...

it would make the content available as it should be.

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i'm thinking we also need a private forum for really off off topic content,
where the late nighters really could post anything they want and only approved entry would provide access.

a real airstreat after dark forum
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:21 PM   #62
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Please Remember...

We only wanted a separate place to conduct on-line polls where only unit members could vote. To my knowledge there was never any intent to have secret discussions. The WBCCI page would not or could not extend this capability because they don't embrace the concept. Remember, we were going to be a "proof of concept" organization!

As for technical discussions, who in his right mind would shut himself off from the larger brain trust that comprises Airstream Forums.
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Old 10-12-2006, 03:31 PM   #63
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...again for me the issue isn't wbcci threads, it is PRIVATE threads of any sort...
But, if this information was stored on a different website (say the individual unit websites), would you still have an issue? Probably not. The only difference is where the information is stored. In this case, Andy, out of the kindness of his heart, is offering up free website space for any WBCCI unit to use. I don't understand why you have an issue with this? If regular unit websites have private areas for use by their members why not this forum too? I don't think there is any "entitlement" in the forums nor should any be assumed by its members.

Also, it is virtually *impossible* to get everyone on the forum to agree on any given topic so I just say let the mods decide the outcome (and say "thank-you" to everyone for their opinions) and if the outcome is "yes" for the private forum -- everyone against just needs to "deal with it" and if the outcome is "no" then those for it will need to deal with it.
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Old 10-12-2006, 04:45 PM   #64
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I don't understand why you have an issue with this? If regular unit websites have private areas for use by their members why not this forum too?

I don't think there is any "entitlement" in the forums nor should any be assumed by its members.
hi rebfa and thanks for posting. these two comments you've made seem to conflict...

if private threads are made available here, for what sub sets would it be ok to offer this segregation?

women, youth, west coasters? beer drinkers? members with children?

i agree there shouldn't be any entitlements here....

and private forums, however well intentioned are exactly that....entitlements.

that is part of the objection i've expressed.
the wbcci is a separate enterprise. they DO have their own website, units do have many ways to communicate.
i'm a paid member and i would voice concerns to the wbcci hq that this forum site which has been pretty neutral is now horning in on wbcci affairs...

for me the issue is not private wbcci threads...it's any private threads...
but on the wbcci side i don't see this as helpful to the clubs growth or survival.
it will stir the waters, it may force some changes (unintended ones) but

votes and minutes and motions should be owned and overseen by the wbcci

not airstreamforums.com; this isn't a good thing for the club....
while it may rattle some cages....

a unit that does not even exist yet has a private chat area? that is silly.

can i have one for rbcci folks...we've got a hat! we've had a rally!
i've got pictures of the membership!

hosting club websites is not the same thing as starting private forums HERE.

we have all been on pretty much the same level field until now.

out of 15,000+ members here how many have asked for this feature? less than 10?
doubtful more than 20....

can't you think of other really deserving factions of membership here,
that could benefit from private chat areas and threads here? i sure can.

and according to andyr's post oversite will be LESS than the public threads...by actual moderators.

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OK Folks, if the attacks on individuals don't stop, I'm going to close this thread. Everybody is free to express their opinions here concerning the subject matter at hand, but don't turn on one another.

Keep the posts on track.

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I just deleted several posts that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. I'll leave the others that have subject matter in them for the sake of continuity, but if the personal slams continue, further editing will be required. And no one will like the results.
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wow, alot must have happened after leo's post....in just 30 minutes!

i missed all the attacks and negative action...darn.

i was just planning to come back, now to this thread and suggest...

that yesterday the views were in the 10s with no replies...

today the views went over a 1000 with lots of great replies...

and all the while remaining so civil...

i felt it was important to discuss the topic of private forums and segregation of membership.

we did that pretty well. too bad a wrong turn happened, whatever that was...

i could go deeper into this issue but i think the principles get the point...

i'm happy some of us got to exchange views on this important issue and that everyone took a moment to think about it.

i had something really funny i wanted to add at this juncture...but perhaps it is best saved for another time...

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I'm thinking Wbcci unit members will break off from the general forum in favor of hanging with there own unit members, posting important, informative and interesting information which will be unavailable to general members.



If members start forming clicks and posting " Hey fellow unit member Bob, how do I tell if my axel is shot?" Won't the loss of the reply hurt the general membership?

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Or how about - Hey Bob, what are you bringing to the potluck next week, I was thinking about bread pudding. When are your arriving, I am coming on Thursday. Are you taking the optional field trip or going for a hike?

We will all miss that.

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hi artlink!

how ya doing bud?

where can i find ya these days?

your observations are exactly what can happen...and might.

notice andyr suggested in his comments that a wbcci unit member will 'moderate' each respective private thread...not any regular moderator...

and there seems to be diverse views of what content fits private spaces...
but that is the nature of special private places...

good to read from ya!
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