Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-12-2006, 10:23 AM   #29
Site Team
 
Janet H's Avatar

 
1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
Eastern , Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 11,868
Images: 90
OK - Checking to see of the settings are correct...
__________________
1964 Overlander | '08 Touareg V6
Current Project: 1964 Globetrotter

.
Let's have a polishing party: I'll supply the trailer and buffing supplies. BYOB (bring your own buffer)

AirForums Custom Search
Janet H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:28 AM   #30
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
hi all...

perhaps some of you have missed the main kernel of my concern...

private threads/forums here for any group is a bad idea...

it's segregation.

long term it will hurt the open and candid discussions that are the principle feature of airstream forums...

this is a social knowledge network,

not a network of private social clubs.

yes this sort of communication is needed for wb units,
yes it is kind that someone here did this,
but it will not be healthy for the forums in any way,
these cyber communities are experiements in expanding society and interaction.

private forums are dangerous on a open 'free' website.

now from the wbcci and unit side this is bad too...
i'm a wb member, if i were in one of these units i'd be directed to a non-wb location for business meetings? why doesn't my club just provide this...

some of you are suggesting since wb folks already come here why not conduct their business here...well that is such a silly notion...
why join the wb at all if they can't provide membership with what it needs?

now,
a few questions...

-what are the blue book rules for how club meetings/official business is conducted?
-are minutes recorded? who keeps the minutes?
-who can attend? are there 'executive sessions' with less general access?
-so will their be subforums of ultra private communication for unit officers appart from the general unit folks?
-WHO OWNS THE CONTENT for info posted HERE that is wb UNIT related?
...things like votes, voting history, motions and so own will become the property of 'airstreamforums.com'...NOT the wbcci.

what can be included in these threads?
-can i post a question about an upcoming meeting?
-how about a unit rally?
-how about a non unit rally?
-how about a forum rally?
-how about fishing in my unit?
-how about fishing 10 states away?
-how about a trailer for sale to unit members first??
-how about a discount for parts or service?
-how about my view on a topic that is in an open forum?
-can i put pictures in the private unit threads?

who is gonna moderate the private threads and will this be done with the same standard as the public threads....

can vac have a private thread? it is NOT a unit of the wbcci...but then neither is the four corners faction yet....
are you folks aware that vac members can buy airstreamlife magazine for 15$ per year?

can the MALS have a private forum thread?

if the server gets jammed who's content gets moved upgraded first?

my point is providing private forums is not in the spirit of anything else on this website.

and while wbcci units may benefit from internet based communications,

private threads for any subgroup, on a public forum is a slippery bad idea...


cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:31 AM   #31
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by Janet
OK - Checking to see of the settings are correct...
here is a great example....

precious moderator time and energy,

focused on a issue, problem or feature...

that will only be relevant to a small preselected faction of the general membership here....

private forums here are a very bad idea...

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:43 AM   #32
Rivet Master
 
66Overlander's Avatar
 
1962 22' Safari
2016 30' Classic
Somewhere , in the USA
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,822
Images: 41
Can we please take 2airs objections and make them a separate thread, so we don't have to keep reading this stuff to figure out how to make the Unit Forums work for us. Thanks.
__________________
Joe
Wally Byam Caravan Club International Historian
Vintage Airstream Club Historian
WBCCI/VAC #6768

66Overlander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:47 AM   #33
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefrobrts
After all, his goal is to get all the members he can here to keep this a vibrant and lively community.

It will bring more experienced ASers here to use the regular forums, and that's a good thing.

It's a free market.

If the WBCCI won't support it's own units, then someone else will.
hi stef...

there is no evidence doing this will bring more members here....

i suggest it will cause members to look elsewhere for free open communication...

i certainly would not have given 20$ to this site IF i'd know private forums were to become a 'feature'....

private forums will not add to anything vibrant or or lively.

private forums are not about community, they are segregation...which has only limited value in any part of human society...
and many believe segregation has NO part in a free society.

hosting wb websites is much different than providing private chat rooms here.

some may see this as wrestling for control of the wbcci and it's membership...

not every experiment to boost membership is a good thing. this one isn't.

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:50 AM   #34
Rivet Master
 
wkerfoot's Avatar
 
1979 23' Safari
1954 29' Liner
Orange , California
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,608
Quote:
Originally Posted by Janet
Moderator hat off: I am the web mistress for the OR unit. I approached the WBCCI about hosting a site for the OR unit. They were unable to oblige. I asked for a link to the OR unit they were unable to oblige. This forum was happy to help.
...
Janet,

Your Oregon site is available from the WBCCI website, as are other unit sites. To get there is a little involved though, go to regions, then region site then there is a link to the unit sites.

I think that WBCCI should make it easy for units to have a site, I made this proposal to Renee with many other comments after this years International Rally, but have only heard back on one item.

Bill
__________________
Bill Kerfoot, WBCCI/VAC/CAC/El Camino Real Unit #5223
Just my personal opinion
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon, 1977 Lincoln Continental, 2014 Dodge Durango
1979 23' Safari, and 1954 29' Double Door Liner Orange, CA

http://billbethsblog.blogspot.com/
wkerfoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:52 AM   #35
Moderator
 
Stefrobrts's Avatar

 
1968 17' Caravel
Battle Ground , Washington
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,805
Images: 50
Blog Entries: 1
I don't see why you are so threatened by it. Units have private communications right now without you being involved in them and it is of no concern to you, so it is of no consequence. Basically we are providing a service if people want to take advantage of it. No one is twisting arms or luring people away from services provided by the club. The club has no right to tell people how they have to conduct their business, and people are free to experiment and try new things. Why don't you give it a chance and let those who want it try it out, before complaining how dangerous and how it will be the fall of civilization? Take a deep breath and relax...
__________________
Stephanie




Stefrobrts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:53 AM   #36
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by 66Overlander
Can we please take 2airs objections and make them a separate thread, so we don't have to keep reading this stuff to figure out how to make the Unit Forums work for us. Thanks.
and in a flash wbcci unit business needs take priority over the general forum threads and open honest communication....

66O'...
if you didn't notice, NO ONE had posted anything in this thread till i did and only a few dozen had even read it prior to my initial post...

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 11:03 AM   #37
Moderator
 
Stefrobrts's Avatar

 
1968 17' Caravel
Battle Ground , Washington
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,805
Images: 50
Blog Entries: 1
Eventually all units will need private communications on the web, it's just the way society communicates now, so why not offer them here? This forum is here to meet the needs of many different groups of airstreamers, I do not understand why anyone would find this fantastic new FREE service threatening.
__________________
Stephanie




Stefrobrts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 11:03 AM   #38
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefrobrts

I don't see why you are so threatened by it.

Units have private communications right now without you being involved in them and it is of no concern to you, so it is of no consequence.

Basically we are providing a service if people want to take advantage of it.

The club has no right to tell people how they have to conduct their business, and people are free to experiment and try new things.
hi stef

i don't feel threatened by it. i think it is bad for the open free somewhat level field that airstreamforums provides.

except for moderator/admin threads, we can all read and usually reply to all content here...

that is the principle shining feature of airsteamforums.com...

at that key feature is at risk with private forums...

i'm not aware of units having private communications here right now....

members can use private messaging and do...that is not the same as limited access forums...

actually the 'club' does have some right to tell membership how they conduct business meetings, votes and so on...

but the the wbcci IS NOT my concern,

my concern is private limited access forums...

-how about an 'engineers only' forum, or 'women only' or 'bambi only' or any other topic airstream related?

seems you misunderstand my concern so naturally it may not seem important....

but limited access forums are much tricker to manage fairly and will change the direction and usage of airstreamforums...

in a bad way.

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 11:13 AM   #39
Moderator
 
Stefrobrts's Avatar

 
1968 17' Caravel
Battle Ground , Washington
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,805
Images: 50
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2airishuman
but limited access forums are much tricker to manage fairly and will change the direction and usage of airstreamforums...

in a bad way.
I know you and respect you, but I completely disagree. However, we can freely debate it in person at Beverly Beach in a couple weeks

All of this will be no concern to me soon anyway, as I am not renewing in the WBCCI. However, how much they embrace new ideas is a big deciding factor in if I will ever give it another try.
__________________
Stephanie




Stefrobrts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 11:15 AM   #40
Rivet Master
 
LuminumTraila's Avatar
 
2006 19' Safari SE
NW of Boston , Massachusetts
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 987
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2airishuman

my concern is private limited access forums...
I thought this was a public forum that was privately owned, and the owner had ultimate control of what is and isn't done here. I don't see how this differs from (for example) Yahoo groups, or Google groups. Some are public, some are exclusive. I don't mind being excluded from groups that aren't of concern to me. Why would I want to join their conversation?

And why not set up a private MAL forum? Did you ask for one? This isn't the WBCCI, so you don't have to fear having the Blue Book thrown at you. I think it would benefit MALs to have a private internet forum group.

Janet, could a MAL forum be set up?
__________________
Doug & Jamie, AIR #650
LuminumTraila is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 11:15 AM   #41
Patriotic
 
Chuck's Avatar

 
1973 23' Safari
North of Boston , Massachusetts
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,475
Images: 260
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobchevy89
GEE I thought this was a free speech forum..FOR EVERYONE..
Sorry, Bob. You thought wrong. The forum is the property of an individual, and our use of it is subject to his terms of agreement, etc, etc, yadda yadda yadda.
however, it IS a "free speech" country, and as such, you are welcome to start your own forum, and operate it however you choose.

as to the subject at hand: I'm not seeing why its such a bad idea. There are private conversations happening already. They can happen here, in a convenient format, or we can continue to send e-mails around and around, which is not so convenient. The infrastructure is here, we are here, moderators are volunteers...what skin is it off anyone's behind?
The only point I do agree with is the issue of "ownership" of the content, and what might become of it. At least, I think its something to think about.
__________________
Air:291
Wbcci: 3752
'73 Safari 23'
'00 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 QC
Chuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 11:22 AM   #42
Site Team
 
Janet H's Avatar

 
1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
Eastern , Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 11,868
Images: 90
Quote:
Originally Posted by dougjamie
Janet, could a MAL forum be set up?
The intent here was to offer a venue for the biz activities of a unit of interest to unit members - not to isolate a conversation of interest to all streamers. As I said earlier, this is a brand new adventure, we are find our way as we go. This is an interesting conversation....
__________________
1964 Overlander | '08 Touareg V6
Current Project: 1964 Globetrotter

.
Let's have a polishing party: I'll supply the trailer and buffing supplies. BYOB (bring your own buffer)

AirForums Custom Search
Janet H is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What do you think about these forums? Andy R Our Community 11 10-28-2006 06:56 PM
WBCCI and local Units Stougard WBCCI Forum 54 02-28-2006 08:46 AM
New forum feature? airstreamcaravel Our Community 1 11-02-2002 10:22 PM
Forums vs. Central ViewRVs Airstream Motorhome Forums 3 03-17-2002 11:47 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by



Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002-2015 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.