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Old 11-11-2009, 04:13 PM   #15
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Andy and 2airs,

How about an additional feature besides the maps and listing of groups.. I think an awesome feature would be the feature where you can put a pin on the map for a particular time period. So lets say it's Thursday and the wife and I want to go streamin, we pull up the page and see who is out and where this week-end. If there is one close, we just put our pin there as well and head on out. Kinda like a virtual internet dating service for trailers. That doesn't quite sound right, but I think you get hte point. Which is to enable the meeting of otheres with out the 6 months of planning and stuff. Just a quick look to see who is camping in our area and away we go!

What do ya think?
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:26 PM   #16
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...Just a quick look to see who is camping in our area and away we go!

What do ya think?
hi wx'

i think it's a GREAT idea.

and it has been proposed several times, with slightly different features/methods....

yours is as good or better description of the concept too.
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unfortunately it has been NIXED every time it's been suggested.

i could point you 2 the old threads on this

but the posted reasons WHY it's not been done aren't very good (imo) in those threads.
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the way i've seen members TRY to accomplish this is simply by starting a thread, with titles like...

"i'll be at devils tower soon, who wants to join me"

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"any AIRmembers going to hoboken next week?"
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these threads don't provide for simple scanning for a quick meeting like u are suggesting...

and SOME of us only want 2 know where others are camping ...

so we can go the OPPOSITE direction
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still a MAP where members could stick a PIN (with dates/location) indicating THEIR camping spot, would be neat...


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Old 11-11-2009, 04:49 PM   #17
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I like that idea, we could call it where-streaming and also offer the ability to load photos so everyone can see the fun you are having. There are plans to put geo-based features on the blogs now that cameras are starting to add the longitude & latitude so we can track people on their adventures seeing photos from along the way. Lots of fun projects this winter!!!
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Old 11-12-2009, 03:41 AM   #18
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2air pretty much answered for me, but that never stops me from writing more. I am well aware of the 4CU and would gladly join it if I didn't have to throw away $55 to support an international group I don't care for. I also don't join thousands of other groups that don't run their groups the way I like. In addition, I don't give money to political parties in opposition to my beliefs, even though I have friends who are members of other parties (misguided as they are). Why would I give the WBCCI money?

Like 2air, I have had private exchanges with the OP, and 2air has it right. It's an opportunity to explore new ways of grouping, new clubs, with different interests, different rules or no rules, dues or no dues.

It's the internet and it's being invented every day by us. I don't know what will evolve. Some will look like the past because that's what we're used to, others will be so different to be incomprehensible to me.

So we could have a Colorado Vintage Club, a SW FB Club, a No Rules Rocky Mountain Club, Left Handed Airstreamers Club, North America Weird Guys Club (Ladies Welcome), Little Bear* Drunkards Airstreamers. Pick your affinity group or your region or city. No limits. Some works, some doesn't.

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*The Little Bear is a famous or infamous saloon in Evergreen, Colo. Barb and I met there proving you never know what to expect when you glo somewhere.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:47 AM   #19
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. . . So we could have a Colorado Vintage Club, a SW FB Club, a No Rules Rocky Mountain Club, Left Handed Airstreamers Club, North America Weird Guys Club (Ladies Welcome), Little Bear* Drunkards Airstreamers. Pick your affinity group or your region or city. No limits. Some works, some doesn't. Gene
Gene:

Briefly, how would you structure the "club" to grow and prosper in today's world? What basic or general rules, if any, would apply to membership . . . events . . . affiliation . . . identification? Who would bear or cover the initial expenses for the organization and for specific occasions, like a rally? Is computer ownership a prerequisite?
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:27 AM   #20
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Question What is a group?

I hope no one minds me posting something about the original topic of this thread.
What is the result of forming a group? Can members correspond among themselves without the threads showing up on the portal? Anything else?
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If this is coordinated through the Forum, access to a computer or smart phone or something yet to be invented (Dick Tracy's wrist radio?) would be needed. You can use a computer at a public library so you don't have to own one.

I don't have answers to the rest of your questions—answers will develop. I don't know much about the NorCal group, but they appear to be friends who publicize their rallies through the Forum. An idea is probably knocked around over a campfire or via PM's or otherwise, some agreement is reached, someone contacts a CG, gets information, perhaps reservations are made, or people make them individually, and it happens. I think they go to some places regularly, others are new. Seems to work for them and maybe they'll post here and tell us how they developed this anti-structure structure.

Others can come up with other ideas and surely will. I can see the outlines of the idea, but I'm an old guy with expertise in corporate and nonprofit law and organization. I'm probably the last guy to create a group that's different, but I am trying to visualize it.

It doesn't have to be an organizational copy of the WBCCI. It is not a challenge to the WBCCI. I am trying to understand the meaning of your posts, Fred. Is it that you perceive this as a threat to the WBCCI or the 4CU? It is something as yet undefined. Regardless of what happens through the Forum the WBCCI will stand or fall on its own. If it doesn't thrive, that will be its responsibility, not anyone else's, and something will fill the vacuum.

I cannot tell you the rules, basic or complicated, or costs, if any, of something not yet in existence. I think the idea is do whatever you want as individuals or groups. Any person or group can establish a presence for group action on this Forum. The group or individual will establish whatever they want to—bylaws if they want them, none of they don't, marching bands if they want, perhaps circles of friends just getting together and communicating through the Forum. There will be different models ranging across the board.

Let's see what happens.

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*The Little Bear is a famous or infamous saloon in Evergreen, Colo. Barb and I met there proving you never know what to expect when you glo somewhere.
I love the Little Bear (and Evergreen). What a great little venue where some amazing acts such as Bo Diddley, Willie Nelson, Johnny Lee Hooker, and Leon Russell have played.

I'd like to be part of a group focused on Colorado Concerts, the Colorado Concert 'Streamers! With great events like Telluride Bluegrass, a whole summer of events at Red Rocks, bondocking outside of Aspen at Labor Day for the Jazz Aspen Festival or other summer music events. I need to move back to Colorado, the summers are just spectacular...
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What is the result of forming a group? Can members correspond among themselves without the threads showing up on the portal? Anything else?
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Thanks for asking

This feature is in it's infancy but as it develops, members of a specific group will be able to correspond, set up shared photo albums and more.

Currently active features include the ability to message all members of a group via PM at once which is really useful for rally planning updates, the ability to sort the rally calendar for the groups events, ability to place rallies on the rally map (this happens automatically when you add a new rally to the calendar) and sort rally discussions by group.

If you want to explore some of these features, join a group and then go to your user CP and click on social groups (name changing soon).

When this idea was originally conceived, we were envisioning "AIR Nodes" a confluence of AIR Forums members both in the ether and at camping spots around the world. These groups are fluid and their make up can change with the individual desires of the member. It's fast, real time and takes very little organization. Any group member can post a rally or rally discussion thread and attach the groups ID to it - no leader required.

This feature is about connecting AIR members with a passion for camping with other Airstreamers. It's a simple concept and in response to members obvious desire to group up and camp. Looking back over the years of rally listings on the calendar and scores of rally discussion threads was the first clue that there was a need for this Members are already doing this very thing - we are simply offering some tools to make the organizational chunk of this easier. Less bureaucracy - more camping!

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Andy, when we saw Bo Diddley at the Bear (as locals call it) I think you would have been underage. He performed his sets sitting down as he has just had some surgical procedure, but he was great. I first saw him at an Alan Fried concert at the NY Paramount in around 1957 or '58. The next time was at a free concert in Miami in the late '80's. A great and innovative rock 'n' roller But we are bordering on hijacking now.

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What is the result of forming a group? Can members correspond among themselves without the threads showing up on the portal? Anything else?
The result is an easy way to organize information that's already on the site so people don't have to go to a handful of places to see what's going on near them. Right now members plan rallies in the rally forums, they put events on the calendar, they talk about stuff in private forums (and some in public areas) so it's all over the place and hard to find. This system is intended to make it easy to navigate to that information. If you go to this link:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/clubs-groups/list-by-name/

From there you can click on the name of the club/group in the left hand column and a pop-up will show you details about the club/group, upcoming events, and past events. We still have some items to work out on that page but the goal is to make it so you can link to photos from the event and link to the planning discussion thus making it easy to see info that's scattered around the site.

Another benefit is the map view which will allow people to see clubs/groups near them. Here is the link:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/clubs-groups/list-by-map/

This will help new Airstream owners find others near them and see the different options available.

It's going to take a while to get all the kinks out and our systems setup to link everything together. We have so much data in different places and it needs to be "tagged" so we can pull it together. On top of that we have to train our mod team and then train our members on how to do this so it's easier to manage in the long run. If we set this up right people will look to the directory as the place and if something is missing go tag it properly so it's listed.
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Thanks Janet and Andy,
I have a better understanding now, and I will look around at the links and see what I can learn. I am definitely not a group camper, but I can see this as a way for Airstreamers with non Airstream common interests to exchange info and ideas. Is that appropriate?
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Maybe this would be better off in it's own thread?
I agree 100%.

I don't mean this to be critical, but rather an explanation, and it is not directed at you, as you were the one to recognize the problem.

They recently added a feature to the forum allowing users to ignore (not have to see) threads that they are not interested in. For me this includes all threads that are discussions of the pros and cons of WBCCI or any other similar organization. With the ignore feature, I can check and see what the thread is and ignore it if appropriate and go happily on. This allows more threads, that I am interested in, to appear in the portal. However, when people continue to introduce these discussions in threads that have been started for another purpose, It defeats the whole purpose of the ignore system.
I am interested in the actual subject of this thread, but to follow it, I am forced to wade through a bunch of off subject material that I do not care for.
For those that are still reading this, thanks for taking the time.
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P.S. Before anyone points it out to me, I realize this is also off topic.
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Maybe this would be better off in it's own thread?
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...I am interested in the actual subject of this thread, but to follow it, I am forced to wade through a bunch of off subject material that I do not care for...
big DITTO here ken...

and wx' has made a FINE post on the wb' that fits wonderfully in 100s of those threads...
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NOW IF wee' will MAN UP and start a thread on suggestions for FIXING the club...

that is OPEN to everyone...

i will make ONE POST in reply 2 that question,

with the REAL WAY to fix it, and without question the ONLY way to fix it.

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but NOT in this string,

so wha du u say wee?

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