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Old 12-12-2006, 02:02 PM   #57
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i’ve got a few thoughts on these enhancements and others…

followed by a suggestion or 2 going forward….

on how they might be delivered...

which may or may not be useful to anyone.

what is happening here isn’t new or different that what happens whenever a ‘few’ decide things for the ‘many’…

many members here feel ‘invested’ in the forums…
content, community, mission, identity and so on…

yes someone owns this site and content…

and with the help of a few ‘selected’ can do whatever they would like…

and for the most part what this group does is GREAT!

how it is delivered is another matter…

whenever a change, improvement, new feature and so on are contemplated…

a post that announces it or seeks imput or otherwise LEADS before the change, would benefit the masses and the few….

it is a misconception that asking for input or announcing improvements slows the process of change…

what it can do, is make change easier to swallow…

for example when janet ‘announced’ the private forums, it was a good thing…

as members we were allowed to express views; which has many great consequences….

except for the non public red karma a few mods slung my way….it was a positive exchange, venting and at least made most aware it was happening.

I don’t think janet took any of our posts as being directed toward her…I hope.

and then the thread passes into oblivion...after we've expressed ourselves.

this thread too shall pass.

personally I have no use for the gold rivets or burgundy colors…

although it does reflect my classic limited décor! can we get some hickory accents too?

I also don’t need the page archiving links, but would prefer they be MOVED TO THE FAR RIGHT…near the quotes tab or upper right new the post # box..

and out of the ‘signature space’ they are too close to member links and sigs for my taste...

occasionally the owner or mods COULD ask for input on new features wanted, current features, old features and so on…

doesn’t matter if any member input gets used and doesn’t have to delay a projected change…

but it would make them easier to swallow.

as an aside I don’t see a way to ‘turn off’ the new stuff…yet.

and I expect since our user cp page now shows the dates our contributions expire…

the distiction will go away without another bit to the kitty… i guess that's one way the member/investors can express themselves.

the few are often bothered or confused, when the many don’t seem grateful,

but what the ‘many’ want more than any new colors or rivets or gloss IS the appearance we’ve been included in the process of change…

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Old 12-12-2006, 02:11 PM   #58
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now for a couple of ideas....

1. terry
you wrote that the shinny rivet feature didn't pan out so well...

-how about a 'sparkle feature'...sort of like an antimated gif, have the rivets twinkle a bit?

ever seen the game bejeweled?

2. a feature i'd REALLY like to see is including acess on the user cp page to ALL the karma/feedback ever received...

-it's there for y'all to see but not us. so to enable us to see ALL the feedback we've ever received would NOT seem that difficult...

-that is a feature several have asked for on multiple occasions...

3. if is a fact that these virtual worlds cost REAL money. are any of the other 12 forums that are part of this network collecting fee?

-the royal forum and the fashion forum are HUGE compared to a/sforums...

-are any of the new features tried on them first? my guess is no.

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Old 12-12-2006, 02:20 PM   #59
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I for one contributed sheerly out of appreciation for this wonderful site and still feel the amount asked for was very small for the rewards of participation here. I return here again and again for information, entertainment, and sense of community. Thank you, Andy and team, for your efforts to make this forum incredibly functional, surprisingly deep in concept and content, and (wonderous of all to me!) easy for a non-computer-literate user to navigate. And on top of all that, you make it attractive and fun with unique features. Maybe the gold-rivet-studded "contributing. . ." is a little vocally over the top and could be deleted in consideration of some feelings expressed on this thread. (Remember, didn't we all have to get active and actually post a question to figure out what those funny dots were???). If someone asks what the color is for, as with the rivets, simply tell them in reply, as you do when someone asks "why the rivets" or "what is karma". Therein is expressed your appreciation for and advertising for support, but more subtly given. Just another suggestion from a member who stands amazed at the behind-scenes work of this community and its founder. ~G
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:27 PM   #60
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Something I would like to see over time (it may take time) is the increase (or otherwise) in contributions as the contributors are now highlighted and this takes on a certain air of - how to say this without any RED showing up in my profile - increased ownership in the forums.

Again, I have to say that having noticed the change yesterday, I thought it was a fluke. The seriousness that many - if not all - of you take this forums is proof enough of our combined dedication to it. Many of us have been members of other forums that have gone the way of the internet black hole and disappeared. I know from my personal experience I have gained - in a short period of time - A LIFE TIME of knowledge from many of you. For that I am grateful. I will contribute in time - that I have already not done so is a point I am ashamed of. That said - I really don't think I need the added golden fleece to my name and would probably like the option to have no recognition at all to my account.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:42 PM   #61
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Hey maybe I am a devils advocate in the discussion here and I like to be able to express my opinion openly whether we all agree or not. And my posts are not meant to tick anyone off.

We Peter and I have always been very appreciative of the Owner of this site and the "volunteers" moderators who spend their time managaging us lunatics that have nothing better to do with our time but to hang out here and gab about a really really cool topic - Airstreams and everything to do with Airstreams.

It just touched a nerve...Back in the day when the original "Fourm Stickers" were being tossed around and the design gurus came out of the woodworks to create something fancy and all the discussions surrounding how the heck we were going to pick one. It was a basic concept of coming up with stickers so that we could meet up with our cyber friends on the road.

At best I thought we would be able to buy the souvenir stickers of a great cyber community - but then all too quickly our devotion and dedication to a forum is exploited.

Our knowledge that we share with fellow forum members is reversed and the emphasis placed on what we get or have saved by being here. And soon the monitary value is slapped on it. Yes it is a small donation (I have never disputed that fact) but from the flip side it is a hell of an expensive sticker.

Sure there are several "bling blings" that come with upgrading the "Forum" software that can then be passed on to its members if the managers choose to.

We say our thank yous and we express our appreciation to the people we share things with - to the moderators who help us out, and of course to the owners that decided one day a few years back, that an Airstream forum would be kind of cool.

But to think that this site needs our "donations" to survive - I think not and until someone helps us out on this point our opinion will be the same.

This is a site that is generating great commerce simply because there are 17 thousand + members. Of course it's management is great and is to be commended - but is not done out of the kindness of ones heart - if we think this then we must have our heads in the sand. Andy is a great guy and does great things here - but it is a business - possibly stemming from a Hobby but don't fool yourselves it is a business.

Do I think anyone is better than the other guy because of the number of rivets, or posts or red or green karma, or flashing avatars no - they are just the little anoying things or things to learn that ultimately generate more posts, and the start of new threads to build all the statistics that come right back to the beginning of the circle of change. The more we contribute - post and thread wise - the more interesting it is, the more people will join, the bigger the data base becomes, the bigger the equipment needed the faster and fancier the software becomes the bigger the need for "contributions" whether they be in Advertising, donations, or posts.

More posts are happening now because the search area has become so bogged down with 100's of threads that people just do not have the time anymore to scan through them to get the answers they need. so the posts generate another exploitable statistic to pass on to a potential advertiser and so on......

It is commerce whether we like it or not.

But the point we have a choice not to donate - those who donate should at least have a choice as to how much they wish to be exposed....just as this thread started so innocently - it will probaby end with a foul taste...

But I am still cool - and when I can afford to toss $20.00 bucks for a sticker and some more hard drive space to download some more photos - I probably will but for now I am happy - and if someone needs a few rivets I have far too many....As I am sure a few on this forum will agree

PS Andy and the gang - YOU DO do a great job - but I am still not tossing any coin your way - as I am tossing coin to your advertisers......who in turn toss the coin at you
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....... A LIFE TIME of knowledge from many of you. For that I am grateful. I will contribute in time - that I have already not done so is a point I am ashamed of. ...........
But that is my point I am trying to make - you by all means should not be made to feel ashamed by virtue of how contributions are recognized

I am not ashamed - for I have given at least as much as I have received I hope!!! and the fact that I support the advertisers and other programs linked to this site is a true form of contribution to this community.....
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Old 12-12-2006, 03:22 PM   #63
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Grrr...grrr....

...Taking a deep breath...holding it...exhaling...
One reason to change the color of the premium members user names was so they didn't get confused with moderators, whose user names are also bold and blue.
Okay, how about this:
No different color user names.
No bold names
No "contributing member", "sustaining member", "donating member" or anything else.
Premium members get gold rivets where their rivets normally go, and it can be returned to silver at the user's discretion.
This is the best I can come up with, since some folks seem to have taken extreme exception to us trying to honor our promise of shinier rivets if you gave us money.
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Okay, how about this:
No different color user names.
No bold names
No "contributing member", "sustaining member", "donating member" or anything else.
Premium members get gold rivets where their rivets normally go, and it can be returned to silver at the user's discretion.
This is the best I can come up with, since some folks seem to have taken extreme exception to us trying to honor our promise of shinier rivets if you gave us money.
I like that proposal Terry.
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1.If you don't want a colored name or rivet so be it. 2.If you want to contribute solely by posting, great.
3.If you want to sit back and read and not post, thats your choice too.

Now choose 1 of the above and get on with it.
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What Alan and Terry said.

Moderator hat on:

This thread has about run its course. We, the UNPAID staff here understand that some folks like it, some folks don't. It WILL be modified from its current form. Please see post number 7 in this thread.

Moderator hat off:

Why on earth has this been such a divisive issue? AndyR was simply trying to say “thank you” to the folks that have a couple of extra bucks that, as they say in the movies, “ain’t doin’ nuthin”. If’n ya couple of extra dollars, send it here, if’n ya don’t, yer still welcome here. Remember folks, this is a hobby and a COMMUNITY of
like minded people who enjoy that hobby.

Moderator hat back on:

IF there is any more vitriol, attacking, or otherwise ugly words directed at the ownership, staff or other members or this COMMUNITY, this thread and any subsequent thread will be closed.

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IF there is any more vitriol, attacking, or otherwise ugly words directed at the ownership, staff or other members or this COMMUNITY, this thread and any subsequent thread will be closed.
are we reading the same thread? it is interesting how views vary...

kindly point out these nasties, cuz i don't see 'em...

i'm reading passion and humor and some jabbing from folks who care...

also post #25 asks for feedback about the gold rivets...

feedback is good. none of it seems directed at anyone to me...

except freds fred is evil down boy...

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