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Old 05-21-2007, 08:04 AM   #15
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Shucks, I wasn't even aware that one could send bad karma! Duh.

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Old 05-21-2007, 08:49 AM   #16
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In my early days posting here someone left me bad karma. Since I was only asking a question, I sent them a PM asking why. They couldn't remember why . Glad to see negative karma gone there is enough negativity in the world already.

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Old 05-21-2007, 08:53 AM   #17
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I get enough negative karma from my neighbours when the sun glints off my Airstream and through the trees, across the creek, and directly into their kitchen . Payback for their late night partah's, per chance.....

Good idea Andy, as always it just keeps getting better and better...

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Old 05-21-2007, 09:32 AM   #18
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Good Karma to ya Andy!!

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Old 05-21-2007, 09:42 AM   #19
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Are you sure this won't result in some un-intended consequences?

1. Will I tend to be more "rude" in my postings because I no longer fear the bad karma?

2. Will people be more likely to repond with a nasty posted reply, rather than just send someone a private little shot of negative karma?

3. Will we see more ugly PMs, with more specificity than just a little negative karma?

4. Won't the moderators have more work trying to referee personal tifs, that previously could be handled with a little negative karma?

6. Will there be more Warn Meter activity as a result?

7. I think there is a certain balance to having both positive and negative karma. Its kind of a Yin-Yang thing. With no negative karma, the positive karma becomes worth less.

And finally, who ever got any negative karma anyway? I only got hit a couple of times, and one time it was by mistake. So what's the big deal?

I've never given anyone negative karma, but I will defend to the death (or at least a few bruises) the right of others to dish it up.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:24 AM   #20
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Thumbs up Accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative.

Good move, Andy and mod squad.
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:16 AM   #21
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Hmmm...

Well if this doesn't work you can always bring back the negative karma thing. For fun, you could have a pop up message when someone tries to leave negative karma. Something like "Go hug a tree".
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Old 05-21-2007, 02:01 PM   #22
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Are you sure this won't result in some un-intended consequences?
I personally don't think so. Most of the other Social Knowledge forums exist without negative karma. It's hard to communicate in a karma window. Some of the guiding principles should be like parenting -- don't hand out penalties that tie you down. I have seen bad karma give us more to repair. The basic effort to communicate should be there in the first place. To borrow a phrase from a decade back, good karma is a warm fuzzy -- it feels good even if we've never heard of a cold fuzzy.

We have plenty of tools: talk, warn meter, talk, suspension while we talk, more talk, supervising every post, talk if we have any patience left, or complete banning. Available mods on any given day definitely try to reach some consensus before taking action -- and no, it's not always unanimous. We try to make this a fair place that most of us would gladly hang around. Yet each of us can shoot first and ask questions later if a spammer gets on the boards!
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Old 05-21-2007, 02:28 PM   #23
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. . . We have plenty of tools: talk, warn meter, talk, suspension while we talk, more talk, supervising every post, talk if we have any patience left, or complete banning. Available mods on any given day definitely try to reach some consensus before taking action --
Pffffft.

My point exactly. See my item #4 above. More responsibility and work for the moderators.

Less direct person-to-person civility needed for the regular Joes and Jills. Say whatever you want and let the moderators deal with the fallout.

Check your "Taoism for Dummies" book. Without negative karma, positive karma is worthless.

So how about we rename them Fuzzies instead of Karma.

I'm not ready to go to the mat on this. Do what turns your cranks.
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Old 05-21-2007, 02:32 PM   #24
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. It's hard to communicate in a karma window. .
Thats what's good about karma. You can't really go on a rant like you might do in a PM. Kinda like a raspberry from the back row, rather than a confrontational in-your-face screed.

You're the mods. Do what you think is right.
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Don -- One can type a lot more than most people do in a karma window. And I think we've had a thread on karmic duality in the past -- hard to discuss without a treatise on zoroastrian influences in Goethe's writing. My hat is still off to Andy R. Negative karma is a mighty dull blade -- not easy to use well if you want to excise the lesion. We aim to operate with solid confidentiality and thus can't provide specific examples from real Forums life. Like the Brooklyn tailor sez, "Trust me!"
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Old 05-21-2007, 03:25 PM   #27
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Another thing. I still want to know why we can only give out 10 karma fuzzies per day.

Along with this improvement in the karma system, can't you loosen up the restrictions?
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:40 PM   #28
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As a recipent of unwarranted negative Karma several months ago (that totally ruined my day), I applaud this decision. It is long overdue.
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