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Old 06-18-2008, 04:18 PM   #99
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it's not surprising that many suggest it is a 'pc' thing....

imo (which is very biased) this issue is VERY different,

and NOT motivated by 'pc' anything....

it IS simply about being aware and enlightened about 'awareness and enlightenment'

with an appreciation for others and a worldly view on the issue.

the approach we had been using and called K, wasn't k at all.

i am as politically INcorrect as is possible and as is the next chimp...

but get there by first trying to understand whatever it is that will be mocked.

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I have always enjoyed the story of Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita. It's a classic of world literature and considered by many to contain the very definition of karma. I would highly recommend it those interested in understanding karma.

Interestingly, to me anyway, Arjuna's name means 'bright', 'shining', or 'silver.' A central part of the story is a conversation that takes place between Krishna and Arjuna on a battlefield just prior to the start of a war between two sides of Arjuna's royal family. On one side, the Pandavas who seek the return of their kingdom. And on the other, the Kauravas who refuse to honour the terms of the agreement.

Krishna becomes Arjuna's personal charioteer during the 18-day war. As the two armies fell into battle-formation and faced each other on the battlefield, Arjuna's heart grew heavy. He saw arrayed before him his own kinsfolk; the elders of his clan; and the very teacher who first taught him the art of archery.

Will it be worthwhile, he asked himself, to annihilate his own kindred for the sake of a kingdom? Arjuna sees his spirit faltering at this crucial juncture just as the war is about to begin; he resorts to Krishna for guidance. Responding to Arjuna's confusion, Krishna explains to Arjuna his duties as a prince and tells him about karma yoga.

Basically Krishna reveals to Arjuna the great secret of karma which is essentially that of unselfish action. Krishna tells Arjuana that one should willingly and unconditionally give up the fruits of ones actions, and therefore also give up the good consequences as well as the fear of the bad consequences of one's actions.

Note: I borrowed most of this from Wikipedia articles on Arjuna, Bhagavad Gita, and Karma Yoga.
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Old 06-18-2008, 06:13 PM   #100
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Old 06-18-2008, 06:46 PM   #101
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I'm going to miss "karma." I thought it was a very nice way to acknowledge another's good deed or word. Too bad it's gone.
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Old 06-18-2008, 06:51 PM   #102
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I think over the years we had so much confusion about 'karma', 'thanks' will be much more self-explanatory. I think it's a great change! Best of all it requires no study of eastern philosophies to understand! It is simply 'thanks'
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Old 06-19-2008, 12:09 AM   #103
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Well I can share what was taught to me on another thread when I asked what was Karma. I asked was Karma the stuff we passed around at rock concets and (I can't remember his real "Name", so I'll call him LedZephlin) told me Karma was not the actual stuff that was being passed around, but Karma was being passed around none the less. I believe this is what the American Indians were attempting to accomplish during their Smoke Ceramonies, the problem is, the white men wanted all the weed for themselves, thus greed took over and we see what the result of that was.

On a more serious note, I believe Holy Scripture better explains the eastern concept of Karma wherein it says "A man shall reap what he sows." Another law of the harvest also is, you reap more than what you sowed, that's why it pays to live right, things have a way of coming back!
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Old 06-19-2008, 06:21 PM   #104
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Now that I discovered this thread and read though it (backwards), I learned there is Kharma and karma. Kharma lives on and karma (the Forum invention) is gone.

I miss karma because it felt special. Thanks is good too, but not quite as special. I agree "thanks" is easier to understand, but karma was mysterious. The old formula had good intentions and was incomprehensible to me. I liked that mystery of it. I also liked the short lived white broccoli stalk that represented karma. The thanks button is so ordinary looking and not special at all.

So, it seems to me giving karma was actually receiving it while sharing something of self.
Giving thanks is not necessarily receiving anything, though it's a nice thing to do.

Of course, "giving" karma or thanks can be done in good or in bad ways. Thanks are sometimes given sarcastically or mockingly. Thanks may be karmic depending on the context, but a simple button for thanks has no context in itself—we supply it in the message we write that shows up on the CP page.

62Overlander, you didn't kill karma and I didn't think you meant to. Perhaps you were misunderstood. Some white broccoli stalk to you…

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Old 06-19-2008, 07:46 PM   #105
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My kharma is strong. The karma I have received is even stronger. Thanks to all that have given and to those that have received please know that it has come from the bottom of my heart. Even the karma I gave you 2 Air, it came from the bottom of my heart, sorry you did not appreciate it.
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:03 PM   #106
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What is this "Thanks" crap?

Bring back the Karma... too many changes for me...with all these changes, you're losing a faithful forum member with this option.. just keep it Karma.. that's what it's about?

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Thanks - is just thank you for your advice or help - it's a very nice way to show your appreciation.

KARMA - is a gift of good will and sharing of joy with someone - there maybe could be room for both.
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I just learned about karma and now it is gone

I was so happy to learn about karma and I checked mine and found I had been given karma that I didn't know about...I learned how to give karma ......now it has been taken away. I am sorry about that. Perhaps we can call it "attaboys" or "attagirls" or perhaps "attaman" or "attawoman"......oh, well this has been interesting. pj
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Karma was special - I will also miss it!
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According to the Vedas, another classic of world literature, there is an ancient story (1,000-1500 BC) of two birds who were mutual friends. One bird, Jiva, perched in a tree and began eating the fruit there, while the other bird, Atman, merely stood by watching. According to popular interpretation Jiva, the bird in the tree, becomes momentarily distracted by the sweet fruits and forgets her friend, Atman, the bird she has arrived there with. Atman, the watching bird, on the other hand remains attentive and remembers the true self that lives in the heart of all beings in the world.
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Todd, I sent you karma, but want to thank you out loud for that important lesson. Today I will try to be more like Atman and less like Jiva. It will be hard due to the fact that we are here at the East Coast Vintage rally. The sweet fruit is all around me and it is easy to loose focus.
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Todd, I sent you karma, but want to thank you out loud for that important lesson. Today I will try to be more like Atman and less like Jiva. It will be hard due to the fact that we are here at the East Coast Vintage rally. The sweet fruit is all around me and it is easy to loose focus.
Does pie count as sweet fruit? Because if so, there is no way that Frank will be able to avoid eating it.

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