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Old 03-11-2004, 10:55 AM   #1
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free AS images??

Does anybody know of a source of free AS images for use in websites, as avatars, whatever? I know that Airstream inc is pretty sensitive about people using their images, and for good reason! (It's theft, after all.) That's why I'm looking for a public-domain source of free ones.

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Old 03-11-2004, 11:01 AM   #2
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Since you mentioned this, I think it would be a good idea if we had a public file where each one on this forum could contribute their own pictures. Once contributed, it would be understood that anyone could use them for their own non-profit use; such as they could be downloaded for wall-paper on your computer, etc...

What do ya think, Andy?
Anyone else agree?
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:11 AM   #3
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Free pictures

Can't you download pictures from www.airstreamphotos.com ? I can. Right click on a photo after you have enlarged it from the thumbnail and one of the options is 'Save As'. Others are "set as backgriound" and so on.

I don't think that these photos are proprietary, although if one were to use them for gain, it would be only fair to ask the person who posted them for permission.

What do you think?

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I have some images on this YAHOO PHOTO SITE.
All are properly sized to be used as avatars.
If you see any you like, help youself.

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I don't think that these photos are proprietary, although if one were to use them for gain, it would be only fair to ask the person who posted them for permission.
It's always a good idea to ask the poster for permission if you intend on using their photos...even if it is just a courtesy. although, I have several photos posted that ARE proprietary and have noted them as such when posting them "photo by Hal Stoelzle/Rocky Mountain News/Copyrighted photo - used with permission". Even I had to pay for the photos to obtain copies...and it's my trailer!

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Old 03-11-2004, 01:59 PM   #6
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I Agree - Permission would be a good idea.

There are fine lines with "public domain" and I think you have to remember what the purpose of forums and "Photo Albums are for.

I believe most people post photos to the Airsreamphoto forum with the intention and concept of a real time "Photo Album" with the understanding that they will be viewed only and not taken out of or duplicated from the album without permission.

I think it is great that anyone would use some of my photos for their own personal use ie. avatars - wall paper on the desktop etc. Which would constitute "reasonable use" as defined by copyright laws.

Beyond reasonable use however..... - I will be quite honest - I would want to know exactly where & what my photos were being used for and would certainly like the opportunity to provide permission (in writting) first. Especially if one of my photos was to be involved in generating financial funds - unless of course it was for a good charitible cause!

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Re: Airstream clipart

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I have some images on this YAHOO PHOTO SITE.
All are properly sized to be used as avatars.
If you see any you like, help youself.

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Oh, wow, these are really cool! Basically, I was looking for something not just for use as avatar, but also to put on our park business card. I'll write offline to you about it ...

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Old 03-11-2004, 08:01 PM   #8
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Ownership and Copyrights

We all upload images to this forum to share with others and tacitly give the forum permission to display them but we still all own our own photos and unless we state they can be used freely by others they should still be assumed owned and copyrighted by the creator. The forum can claim a copyright for the body of the work as a collection but not the individual photos meaning I can't go and start another forum and abscond with the collection for my personal gain. I'm not a lawyer. That is my personal opinion, understanding and experience from managing AOL's Mac Graphics Forum for its first 9 years.

It's a dangerous game to use something without direct permission. It is better to create it yourself or commision it and pay for it.
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Old 03-11-2004, 08:13 PM   #9
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It's so easy to ask someone via Private Message if you can use their photo, I can't imagine not taking that simple step before "borrowing". Most people I've encountered are flattered to be asked and readily grant permission.

Speaking of which ... <BEGIN SHAMLESS PLUG> ...if you don't want to give your best photos away for free, you guys could submit them to our photo contest! The theme for the next issue is "Old meets New" and we will pay $50 for every pic we print. <END SHAMELESS PLUG>
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Is www.airstreamphotos.com a free source of photos?

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We all upload images to this forum to share with others and tacitly give the forum permission to display them but we still all own our own photos and unless we state they can be used freely by others they should still be assumed owned and copyrighted by the creator.
Owned yes, copyrighted no. You have to take specific action to copyright. Here is what the airstreamforums/photos says:

"Why AirstreamPhotos.com Exists:
AirstreamPhotos.com is a sister site of AirstreamForums.com that allows you to upload your photos of Airstream Trailer and Motorhomes and related travel. This is the largest single source of Airstream photos on the internet!"

I highlighted "source" because the terms indicates it is a source of material.

Under Miscellaneous we find

"We are not responsible for Copyrighted material that is posted by a member. To report a Copyrighted violation, please email the administrator or contact a moderator. We will remove the content and notify the member not to post material that is Copyrighted. "

I think that we give tacit approval for others to use anything we post for noncommercial purposes. Once it is posted on a public forum, we give up our right to it as long as it is not copyrighted. If someone wants to use one of my pictures as a background that's fine with me. If someone wants to publish a picture, please ask first.

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Does anybody know of a source of free AS images for use in websites, as avatars, whatever?
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My answer is yes. www.airstreamphotos is a source of free AS images.

I would like the Moderator to comment because this is an important point.
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My Opinion

I agree with the protection of a "copyright".

Without a specific protective document, in my opinion, most anything is in the area of "public domain".

For sure, "he who can afford the best lawyers wins" in this situation.

My personal morality on the matter is "if you make money with it or because of it, pay for it". If not, use it, and, if asked by the owner (of the photo, manuscript, quote, whatever.....) to NOT use it, graciously abstain from further utilization.
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Once it is posted on a public forum, we give up our right to it as long as it is not copyrighted.
A lot of people are still under the perception that you have to apply for copyright as in the "old" days prior to (2001? - not sure of the exact year the "Automatic" Copyright laws took affect).

It was actually brought about due to the "public" domain. You do not have to pay for the little "c" anymore folks.

The word "source" can be interpreted as a "source of information" You can not reproduce any photo, graphic or plageriz any public works from any "source" from the internet or otherwise - without expressed written, verbal or other type of permission such as Rog offering his graphics for free.

They reversed the system to make it easier - instead of everyone requesting a copy right on their own artistic work - it is automatically theirs (as they did created it). The ownus now falls on the "user/borrower". If it does not state anywhere that you can use it - you can't without asking permission - as simple as that.

We all know many don't and I too are just as guilty (for our own enjoyment only) but if it were to be used for "anything" Private or Commercial that can be viewed or further sourced as being percieved to be yours instead of the original owner - that is called copyright infringement.

....and the only person who can claim against the infringement is the orignal owner. These laws are the same in both Canada and the United States.
The common statement used today is "All Rights Reserved".

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Just another point to add

"Public Domain" is refered to as the cyberspace "Public Library"

If you can think of it like that then you would have no problems with copyright.

There are many little bulletins and things that Libraries offer free and encourage you to copy/reproduce and spread around. However, there are more "sources" of information be it written, or visual i.e. photographs that are NOT alowed to be reproduced as they are copyrighted works or "art/literature".

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Point well taken

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I begin to see your point. I have done some searching in the internet on the subject and you are for all intents and purposes, correct.

In general though, I think it applies to professional photographers displaying the results of their efforts. What we do here is somewhat different.

If what you say is true, and I can't dispute it, then airstreamphotos.com cannot allow any photos to be displayed as they are all copyrighted.

This gets into a very sticky area. I have asked the site administrator to comment.

Perhaps there should be a disclaimer that "all photos are considered copyrighted", or that "all photos are not subject to copyright and can be downloaded for personal noncommercial use" as long as the photo was taken by the author and not copied from some other source.

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