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Old 09-19-2016, 06:40 PM   #15
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All three belly pans I've replaced (ugh) had corrosion around the rivet heads. The son's belly pan actually dropped down while towing and wrinkled up under the trailer. I thought he might have hit some road debris, but no, it was corroded rivets eating away the aluminum.

You have to get your readers on, but if you look closely, you will see some "big" holes where the rivets were.

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Old 10-02-2016, 07:46 AM   #16
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What size rivets do I use to attach the sides of shell that curve up under the outriggers in the wheel well area ? It seems like these areas are under a lot of pressure. I don't want the rivets to tear out .
The new belly pan is riveted in place.
once I get the curved sides attached I hope not to have to spend much more time under the Caravel. Even on a creeper it's not been pleasant.
Next time, shell off, shell off, shell off.
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Old 10-03-2016, 12:35 PM   #17
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5/32" Olympic rivets if you have them. Originally they were 1/8" bucked rivets. You can use 1/8" or 5/32" pop rivets if you fill the holes in them in with sealant. The olympica are better obviously since they get shaved down. They'll be covered by trim. So can't stick out to far.
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:22 PM   #18
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Hi Dingo Girl, My 66 Trade Wind side skins wrap around to the belly pan area. My 66 had thin about 2" wide steel strapping welded to the outriggers that the wrapped skins attached to. You are right, there is some tension on these skin wraps, and I "guess" that's why Airstream provided the steel strapping. One of mine was rusted through, so I had to replace it. Maybe this photo looks like your trailer.

I believe HiJoeSilver is correct that Airstream provided 5/32" dia rivets for this attachment. My rivets were pop rivets, not bucked rivets. I can't see how to get a bucking bar behind the skin wraps. Some of my skin wrap rivets had corroded through the aluminum. Imagine that!

My new belly aluminum extended a couple of inches past the steel strips. I wrapped the skins around the outriggers and pressed them snug to the steel strips with a 2/4 and my floor jack supplying the pressure. I drilled and pop riveted with 3/16" dia large flange rivets. But I'm sure 5/32" would work well also.

Hope it helps.

Ain't installing a new belly pan working under the trailer on your back fun? Shell off and flipping the frame sure makes the job easier, but getting to that point is sure harder. I don't think it would save any time.

I'll bet you breezed through your rear corner belly pan "compound curve" pieces with no problems. I really struggled with those even though I had the old ones as templates.

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Old 10-03-2016, 02:41 PM   #19
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Thank you for the responses.
I will use 3/16 large flange rivets, I over bought so have plenty.
When I put the new outriggers in I put straps in the same places that the originals had been. Now I'm wishing I added a couple of extra.
Unfortunately none of this step has been breezed thru. I wish... I'm not sure if the killer for me is the drilling or the riveting while horizontal.
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Old 10-03-2016, 04:33 PM   #20
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We bit the bullet and had Bob Jones RV install our new fresh water tank and axles earlier this year. At our request, they dropped the gray and black tanks for us. We thought they needed replacements. Turned out those tanks were in great shape, which was fortunate since our '79 center bath is impossible for replacement tanks. We put those tanks back ourselves, along with the belly pan, which was also in good shape. Our pans are bolted on. Not sure if that was original or PO change. It was still a pain in the patookus. While trying to wrestle everything back in place, started wishing we paid to have them put back. We have some small panels that need to be reinstalled and have to put on the new drain plumbing. Should be a piece of cake!
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Old 10-03-2016, 05:27 PM   #21
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Hi Dingo Girl, it was definitely the drilling that strained my shoulder, or it was my "advanced years". Anyway, my shoulder was sore and limited for several weeks after each of the three stupid belly pan installations I've done. I think I'd rather have a root canal without anesthetic instead of another belly pan install.

I did not have any pain in my patookus though. Lucky on that one.

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Old 10-04-2016, 03:46 AM   #22
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My advanced age is not helping my situation either.
My shoulder definitely has been strained but the worst is I pulled a chest muscle. Now no deep breaths with out hurt. Hope that goes away quickly.
I did get the curbside front corner buttoned up last night. Figured start with an easy one.
Thanks again for all the pointers, this forum really is the best!
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Old 10-04-2016, 05:26 AM   #23
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When I installed the belly pan on my Bambi Ii, I have myself vertigo. It was from the strain on my neck & head when I pushed so hard while drilling. It took a while to figure that out (some doctoring & googling) but I deduced that that was the cause. Now I try not to pirouette on my head if I'm drilling under my trailer!! Belly pans are the worst!!!
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Old 10-05-2016, 03:44 AM   #24
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Becky I wonder if I have a bit of that too. I get freaky dizzy from time to time while under the trailer. Then have to roll out of there and take a break.
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I got dizzy when I looked up, and when I laid down ( just like the bed spins in college)😳. It's actually your inner ear crystals that have been released from their place that makes you dizzy. Some simple maneuvers actually make it better .... dr recommended physical therapy...I googled it & self therapied!
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For me, vertigo like feeling is a result of progressive lenses in my glasses. I had an old frame fitted with the prescription for about 2.5' distance over the whole lens. Helped a huge amount
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I used self drilling screws to tack the belly pan pieces in place, then backed them out one at a time and drilled 3/16 hole and put in a rivet. I also bought a rivet gun that easily pulled the 3/16 large head rivets. Having the screw hole made drilling for the rivet relatively fast and easy. The rivet gun made the rivet setting a snap. Working on your back is no fun, though.
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