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Old 06-15-2014, 09:34 PM   #15
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:04 PM   #16
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Vive la differance!

Doing anything a man can do... except spelling my name in the snow. Well been there, done that, got the tee shirt.

I'm 65 and financially comfortable. I had "that Old House" and I'm SO glad it became someone else's headache in 2006. I don't know how many times it took "just another 10K to fix everything" until something else broke and couldn't be fixed without custom millwork, expensive materials, and craftsmanship that is nearly impossible to replicate.

Getting older and being financially secure - I now HIRE it!

YES there are a lot of women who are far far too reluctant to put their hands on power tools, etc. However, ask yourself what ELSE most of them are doing. Much of the time, children are still the primary caregivers for children, and their elderly parents. Can a woman work 10, 20 or 30 hours a week on a hobby... and who's watching the kids (or even keeping the dog from eating the couch) if they do?

In defense of men, In my life there has been a major shift in roles... men of my parents generation "brought home the bacon" and that was about all. Now a lot of them will spend lots of time with their children - even changing a diaper without gagging. When my mom went to the hospital to give birth to my sister, I think Aunt Rosemary came over more than once to help with dinner and do dishes, and other days it was balogna sandwiches... and for Thanksgiving dad definitely took us to a restaurant. When dad got sick... no outside help showed up when the kitchen drain got blocked or the mower needed to be sharpened. (I got out the do it yourself and fixed self books and figured it - out to my mother's total disbelief, awe... and mild embarassment.)

I think the truth is that every couple works out their own best division - or the best sharing - of labor. But, I still think that there are a lot more men that like to go to the workshop or garage to get away from the family, where women will go there only when it's something they can be welcomed to share with their husbands.

We all just have to keep working on it and remember one size does NOT fit all.

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Old 06-15-2014, 10:18 PM   #17
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"If nothing changes, everything remains the same". Time for a change, bring home a deposit receipt for a new Airstream, should make for an interesting evening conversation. Airstream camping is better than marriage counseling, sounds quality time much needed here--thanks for putting it out there for your community to send you some good thoughts-Karma!!
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:32 PM   #18
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Ya Know What? Every body out there has an opinion so I'll share mine with you! When you say you want to restore the Caravel I say "Go for it!" Then when you say you cannot get him to get busy on a restore I say "You can do it yourself or hire it done!" When you say you wanted something to camp in for the last 4 years I say" What has stopped you from using it the last 4 years?"

You do realize that you can strip out the interior and use it as an Aluminum Tent right? What is so wrong with doing it a little at a time? You could get an estimate from both the Texas restorers on lifting the shell, cleaning up and repair of the frame and installing all new subfloor. Then decide if it's worth the cost or not. If you have a new axle installed you have already spent money on a restore! Once the frame is in good shape and the subfloor is totally replaced it just becomes a matter of time to get it put back together the way you want it for your personal use. At least you could then tow it safely and camp in it! You could even tow it to the N.W. when you move. If that seems to be too much for you to take on right now then you should leave it as is and either sell it outright or trade it in for the 2011 23 foot trailer that has dual axles! But most of all....I Think.....Do what you love and do what works out for you!!! You know you can buy a bottle of fix-a-flat and get the tire inflated enough to tow it to a shop for an estimate right? The tires on the trailer right now will need to be replaced anyway if it has sat for 4 years! Hope this helps, Ed
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:51 PM   #19
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Okay, I know there aren't a heck of a lotta women restoring these Airstreams but if you want this dream then you can make it happen. I am. .

I had the major rotisserie job (new axles floor, frame reinforcement, gray tanks added...) done by Colin Hyde. Everything done since has been done by me and me alone ( except for begging my daughter to be a bucking buddy). Not rocket science, and it's slow going but I'm seriously enjoying it. There are so many people/ threads here that help!

It does help that my husband will pay the bills without complaining, restoring an Airstream is like having a boat, it's an expensive hobby.

That being said, were it ever to become a major problem ( ie threatening my marriage) I'd give it up without a second thought. It's a thing, not family.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:28 AM   #20
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Ditto what reinergirl said.

My husband and I worked as a team. He put in the axles, the water heater, the refurbished fridge and the composting toilet. I did the wood, fabric and foam. Most of it I didn't know how to do before I started, or I knew how to use the tool but not for that particular project.

Our blog shows how we did it over years, replacing bits as we had the time and got to know what we wanted. We didn't remove a wall or cabinet until we had a plan for its replacement, so it's always been at least a functional aluminum tent.

Camping in it as we went along kept us eager to keep working on improvements. It's easy to get discouraged if all you see ahead of you is work and no play.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:10 AM   #21
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He is right about axles. A double axle is safer than a single axle. It has been my experience that it costs as much or more to restore one than purchase new or slightly new unless you can do the work yourself. It is a labor of love. I did do a lot of the work, but my husband just was never fully on board. You can call most tire companies and they will come out and change the tires. They charge for it too, but it maybe worth it. Have you pulled any of the interior out to check subfloor especially all around the c channel?
Yes, we have gutted it except for the Wall and bathroom. I wanted to make sure it was taken out undamaged since it was cracking already. I hope someone can use parts if hubbie does not want to. We have had two patched areas of floor, and not sure what is under the bathroom, but I am guessing that's where the worst spots are. That is why I need to restorer to do a shell off sub floor replacement. It's not something we can take on at this time.

Now, when we move-we are looking at homes on more than 1 acre and most of them have big metal sheds with RV sized doors. But, both of us are willing to leave the subflooring replacement to the experts and learn later.
Yes, you spend as much or more than getting a new one-but as I said, we both prefer Vintage charm. We just like that one flying cloud 23" floor plan!

Thanks for your kind comments!
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:23 AM   #22
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Okay, I know there aren't a heck of a lotta women restoring these Airstreams but if you want this dream then you can make it happen. I am. .

I had the major rotisserie job (new axles floor, frame reinforcement, gray tanks added...) done by Colin Hyde. Everything done since has been done by me and me alone ( except for begging my daughter to be a bucking buddy). Not rocket science, and it's slow going but I'm seriously enjoying it. There are so many people/ threads here that help!

It does help that my husband will pay the bills without complaining, restoring an Airstream is like having a boat, it's an expensive hobby.

That being said, were it ever to become a major problem ( ie threatening my marriage) I'd give it up without a second thought. It's a thing, not family.
We planned on restoring together, I still think he wants to, but is just overwhelmed the past 4 years. As soon as we bought it, two of his contract dentists quit and it was just after they had taken on debt for the clinic. His easy going schedule changed and he has been trying to keep the clinic going forward. So, he has been really consumed by his business concerns. I did not know it at the time, now it is making sense.
We enjoyed gutting it together and know full well we can use it as an Aluminum tent, that is the immediate goal in my mind. I want to use it to sleep in on the move. Considering we have 4 dogs and 1 cat to move, I don't think a hotel would be a good idea. But I want to make sure it is pulling shape and functional at least for a tent use. Heck we can throw an airmattress in, some kennels....but we are gonna make sure that air conditioner will work. I'm 53. ;-)

Also, I would not divorce over a trailer, but I know how resentment can work it's way in. Like I said; His daughter put us through much worse and if we can deal with that we can deal with anything. The counselor was a pro active choice on how to deal with his daughter. But she has been good for exercises on communication. The counselor is familiar with his ex-wife who was encouraging the problems with his daughter. So, we were stepping carefully. The daughter loves me now and she wants to get the trailer fixed up too!
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:27 AM   #23
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I can feel your pain. I had something similar happen to me. You can read my restoration thread. I ended up having to let go of it all the resentment and the trailer. He just was not as interested in working on it as I was. He did not have the vision. In the end, we compromised and sold it, my beloved vintage project and got an almost new one, something he didn't have to work on and one I could go camping in. We are quite happy now and we drove off into the sunset. (See avatar) Lol. I wish you the best.
I think your model is one of the ones we liked. Does it have the dedicated bed in front and door in back? I just can't get excited about the modern contempary look!
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Ya Know What? Every body out there has an opinion so I'll share mine with you! When you say you want to restore the Caravel I say "Go for it!" Then when you say you cannot get him to get busy on a restore I say "You can do it yourself or hire it done!" When you say you wanted something to camp in for the last 4 years I say" What has stopped you from using it the last 4 years?"

You do realize that you can strip out the interior and use it as an Aluminum Tent right? What is so wrong with doing it a little at a time? You could get an estimate from both the Texas restorers on lifting the shell, cleaning up and repair of the frame and installing all new subfloor. Then decide if it's worth the cost or not. If you have a new axle installed you have already spent money on a restore! Once the frame is in good shape and the subfloor is totally replaced it just becomes a matter of time to get it put back together the way you want it for your personal use. At least you could then tow it safely and camp in it! You could even tow it to the N.W. when you move. If that seems to be too much for you to take on right now then you should leave it as is and either sell it outright or trade it in for the 2011 23 foot trailer that has dual axles! But most of all....I Think.....Do what you love and do what works out for you!!! You know you can buy a bottle of fix-a-flat and get the tire inflated enough to tow it to a shop for an estimate right? The tires on the trailer right now will need to be replaced anyway if it has sat for 4 years! Hope this helps, Ed

Actually, we have had new axles replaced (first order of issue on a Caravel.) Also we had some propane lines capped (the gas light coming out of the front cabinet) and the floor patched. The first restorer was going to do more, but lost his one airstream knowledgable technician.
Yes, we know we can use it as an Aluminum tent. However, my Honda Pilot (TV) was totalled and since I was working home health, I wanted to replace it with a more gas efficient model. It wasn't until 2.5 years later my husband decided to finally replace his Nissan Frontier with a Ford F-150 as the TV.

My plan is to let an experienced restorer do more subfloor work, possibly take out the air conditioner and replace with much newer lower profile, or possible a window unit inside the unit. The other stuff we can handle slowly but surely. Since we know moving across the country is going to be a major undertaking.
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Wow, where did all these responses come from? I thought it was a pretty small group on our mid 60's Caravel group?! I guess it shows in other groups or areas? There seems to be a lot of folks who don't have Caravels even. Maybe they did have one!

Anyway, It's interesting to see the varied responses! Thanks for everyone's candid opinion on most everything! LOL.

I even got an offer to buy her if we decided to sell, from someone like me who rescues Pyrs and lives in TX. ;-)
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:26 PM   #26
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Jerbear, You might rethink replacing the A/C unit. If it is an original Armstrong it can be repaired and recharged very easily and it will cool way better than a newer unit with the same BTU rating. You are aware that you can test the subfloor yourself with an ice pick to see if you still have any soft spots before you see about floor replacement. Yes, The bathroom floor always tend to have more rot issues as water was more of an issue there than elsewhere in these trailers. Leaks around windows and doors, plus leaking around roof openings and rivets are also leading causes of floor rot. Check the entire perimeter of the floor as well as under any vent or skylight areas. If floor is solid then have the frame and tongue/A-Frame inspected. If okay then tow it! You can always put temporary light kit on it to move it but you won't have trailer brakes. However with a small trailer like a Caravel you may get away without having the brakes on it for short distance (to shop). I would not however tow it to the N.W. without all the electrical working properly and for sure to have brakes on the unit. Any good RV tech can test the electrical system and determine if all is good for under $200.00. More of coarse if repairs are needed + parts! Just sayin' Ed

P.S. As far as the amount of responses we all have very similar issues no matter what model of trailer it is and the '66 thru '68 were the only three years that the curved glass frameless windows were made by Airstream. But water leaks and floor rot are universal.
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Wow, where did all these responses come from? I thought it was a pretty small group on our mid 60's Caravel group?! I guess it shows in other groups or areas? There seems to be a lot of folks who don't have Caravels even.
The most recent posts (not including game threads) show up on the Portal page until they're pushed off my even more recent arrivals. Many of us start at the Portal when checking Airforums and we end up reading all sorts of interesting stuff.
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