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Old 07-20-2011, 10:21 AM   #15
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One hour at FTW's

I spent a hour at Frank's Trailer Works yesterday. Lucking for me he was working on a Caravel. This trailer could have been a twin of mine. I found that the ser# is about 90 off of mine. Frank does some awesome work. Its nice to know he has a open door policy. He always welcomes people to stop. The topper was lunch at Baltimore's pit beef shop Chap's CHAPS Charcoal Restaurant YUMO In the fall Frank is putting a axle on my Caravel and maybe a awing rail too.

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Old 07-20-2011, 05:33 PM   #16
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WOW, Thanks Ace! We finished up that sexy little Caravel today. She is so shiny I need sunglasses.

You are correct, the door is always open to visitors. Often guests leave with a full belly too. Even though Chaps is called the best (it is very good) the actual BEST is Pioneer Pit Beef. Thanks for stopping by.
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Old 07-22-2011, 12:41 PM   #17
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Hi Brandon, your pics look great. The trailer came out super nice. Annie was saying the other day she wondered if you had completed it.
Hey Paul! Thanks for the compliment. I never would have been able to get to the finish line without your answers to my questions. People like you and Annie make this forum such an awesome resource.

I hope our paths cross someday and we can meet in person!
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Old 10-27-2011, 10:10 AM   #18
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Hi Everyone. With a lot of work over the past year and some good advice from a lot of contributors my Caravel is finally finished.

My restoration included:
New axle, wheels and tires. New propane regulator, new hot water heater, new faucets, new intelli-power converter, rewiring and adding a DC panel, fantastic fan, refrigerator, repairing furnace, recoating the fiberglass with epoxy spray, making new cabinet doors, rebuilding the cabinet on the lower galley side, my wife did all the cushions and upholstery, new composition vinyl tile, quilted stainless steel walls around the kitchen area, recoating counter tops, new aluminum trim for counters, and a million other details. Please take a look and let me know what you think.


I just posted photos. . .

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It's been several months since I have been on the forum-how do you access the photos again. We have a 66' Caravel that is in the shop for plumbing, re-wiring and etc. But his tech moved and now he cannot do so many major tech repair as we wanted. I would like to subscribe to this thread and get more accurate info. about our particular year and make of A/S. Would love to see your photos for ideas.

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Old 10-27-2011, 11:37 AM   #19
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Hi Jerri, If you click on Vonzellen's name next to one of their posts, you'll see a menu, and one of the items is 'View Gallery Uploads' and that will take you to the pictures of their lovely trailer.

Good luck, and if you have any specific questions, there are a lot of folks here who have redone their Caravels that should be able to help.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:11 PM   #20
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Ace,

Did ya ever notice FTW's blog does not have an image of the proprietor? I think he's got one now thanks to you:


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Old 10-29-2011, 11:37 AM   #21
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Cost of Caravel restorations

I figured out how to access the photos as soon as I wrote that dang post.

My husband and I bought a Caravel about a year ago, this past spring we finally had the owner of TK RV's come pick it up and take it back to his shop. (We had no T.V. anymore.) Finally we went and saw how it was progressing yesterday. He very subtly told us that we paid too much for it and we needed to be careful about how much more money we sunk into it for we would not get the money out of it.
This was depressing for me since I was the one researching the prices of vintage a/s from 14'-19' sizes. We managed to talk the peddler down from $7900 to $7500 since there was a huge scrape on street side and several patches. The plan was to put 3 grand more into it, no more than 10 grand. He said to get it usable, sell it to another sucker (not in those words) take a loss and start over with a 22-23' models which we can get much cheaper. My husband was not bothered, but I was, since I am the one who did all the research and found this one. I felt very lucky finding one nearby in which I did not have to travel but 2 hours. We couldn't see paying someone to haul one from the east coast to TX.
The plan was to have them check out and fix any propane, electrical and give us prices on body work. We planned on doing the interior ourselves.

I was disturbed, this was a hobby, not to turn and resale, but to fix up for ourselves for weekend trips. Then I saw your renovations; Vonzellen and then saw Modarch's. Now I am more frustrated than ever, wanting to fix "Sylvia" up, but worried hubby won't want to do as much because of repairman's comments. Yes, the repairman was a recommended a/s person. We really do like him and know he was being honest with "If it was me..."
He replaced the axel so far and wanted to get the propane lines capped where we weren't going to use it.

So, long story-I'm wondering how much you all have put into your Caravels? I am sorry if it is rude to ask money questions, but it may help us know what we can afford to do and what we cannot.

Thanks for any encouragement.

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Old 10-29-2011, 11:55 AM   #22
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so right after he told you paid too much and had too much in it, did he then offer to take it off of your hands to make it all better?
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Jerri, when we bought our 40 year old Airstream, we didn't plan on it being an investment.

Did we get it for a reasonable price? Yes, considering that we didn't want to drive more than a couple of hours to pick it up. We maybe could have found a cheaper one, but we would have waited much longer and driven much farther. It wasn't worth it for us to do that.

Have we put more money into it than it will be worth? Very probably, especially if you consider the time we've invested as well. But we've gotten almost as much satisfaction out of making the plans and decision and progress on the renovation as we have out of sleeping in the thing.

We've used it a lot. In the long run, it may or may not be cheaper than staying in hotel rooms, but that doesn't matter. We've gone places we just wouldn't have gone without it. That's worth it.

The question is not what your trailer is worth on the open market. It's what it is worth to you. If you can afford what you put into it and the work that it takes to have it meet your needs and you like it, keep it. It's not all about bargains. It's about time and enjoyment.
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:56 AM   #24
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I paid $2500 for my Caravel two years ago. Subsequently, I've spent a total of about $8000 on repairs and upgrades. So, I have about $11,000 in mine. The axle replacement, new tires and wheels was one of the biggest expenses. Everything else I did myself. I rebuilt all the cabinet doors, installed a new vinyl floor, epoxy coated the bath fiberglass, installed new faucets, a new hot water heater, fantastic fan, bought a used refrigerator on ebay, painted the counters, made and installed all new cushions (thanks to my wife's sewing abilities), installed a new converter/charger, new battery, new wiring set up. Stripped and polished the exterior (more to do), and installed the stainless quilting in the kitchen. It was a lot of work, but not that bad. So you paid $5000 more than my trailer. OK, a Winnick special is about $50,000 used. So, lets say you get it to the level of my trailer and you're happy with it and it cost you $17,500. Is that so bad? You'll have to ask yourself that. Can you guys do most of the work? If so , you can do this for not too much money. If you can't do the work and others have to do it--it will cost a lot more.

Call me if you need to or want to discuss this, or details of the renovation.

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Old 10-30-2011, 09:03 AM   #25
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Steve,

Just checked out your pics. VERY nice! My wife sews but isn't confident in doing upholstery. Tell your wife her upholstery job looks great! I know the $$$ add up in a hurry and getting an upholsterer to do the upholstery is a major expense. Had your wife done upholstery before? Love your trailer!

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Old 10-30-2011, 02:05 PM   #26
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so right after he told you paid too much and had too much in it, did he then offer to take it off of your hands to make it all better?
Actually, he did not, he is anxious to get the basics done and get it back to us. He just lost his tech who did alot of the work. But, I am still looking on the market and not seeing any Caravels cheaper than what we paid for ours. I did see one completely renovated for 10 grand, but the floor plan was so changed I did not think it would sleep more than one. He really is nice, and really was trying to tell us we would not get that money back-but that was never the plan!
Maybe he is mixing us up with someone else.

I do suspect he called the dude who sold it to us and told him what the thought. He called him a peddler. I do think we should of paid less, do to the skin damage, but I am not sure how much.

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Jerri, when we bought our 40 year old Airstream, we didn't plan on it being an investment.

Did we get it for a reasonable price? Yes, considering that we didn't want to drive more than a couple of hours to pick it up. We maybe could have found a cheaper one, but we would have waited much longer and driven much farther. It wasn't worth it for us to do that.

Have we put more money into it than it will be worth? Very probably, especially if you consider the time we've invested as well. But we've gotten almost as much satisfaction out of making the plans and decision and progress on the renovation as we have out of sleeping in the thing.

We've used it a lot. In the long run, it may or may not be cheaper than staying in hotel rooms, but that doesn't matter. We've gone places we just wouldn't have gone without it. That's worth it.

The question is not what your trailer is worth on the open market. It's what it is worth to you. If you can afford what you put into it and the work that it takes to have it meet your needs and you like it, keep it. It's not all about bargains. It's about time and enjoyment.
This is exactly what I felt. I looked into how much it would cost to have someone drive one from the east coast, I do think we could of talked him even lower than we did, but felt when would one come along this close to us, just the size we liked.
I have been told it was crazy to spend that much money on our old dogs, but they are family and we knew when they were ready to go. Same thing, we love Sylvia and miss her even being in the yard. We will cut our teeth on her and have her for weekends. Maybe we find a 22-23' for retirement, but by Golly, Sylvia deserves to be loved!
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I paid $2500 for my Caravel two years ago. Subsequently, I've spent a total of about $8000 on repairs and upgrades. So, I have about $11,000 in mine. The axle replacement, new tires and wheels was one of the biggest expenses. Everything else I did myself. I rebuilt all the cabinet doors, installed a new vinyl floor, epoxy coated the bath fiberglass, installed new faucets, a new hot water heater, fantastic fan, bought a used refrigerator on ebay, painted the counters, made and installed all new cushions (thanks to my wife's sewing abilities), installed a new converter/charger, new battery, new wiring set up. Stripped and polished the exterior (more to do), and installed the stainless quilting in the kitchen. It was a lot of work, but not that bad. So you paid $5000 more than my trailer. OK, a Winnick special is about $50,000 used. So, lets say you get it to the level of my trailer and you're happy with it and it cost you $17,500. Is that so bad? You'll have to ask yourself that. Can you guys do most of the work? If so , you can do this for not too much money. If you can't do the work and others have to do it--it will cost a lot more.

Call me if you need to or want to discuss this, or details of the renovation.

Steve Sell 302-234-9999
No-It's not so bad if you love it and are proud of what you did. I have no idea what a Winnick special is, but I get the point. My husband has done wiring in the home, put in a wooden floor, has built furniture, shelving, and I can sew. I think we can do this. I just wish we had the money to fix up the house and the trailer-maybe we can get a discount for buying in bulk.
Thanks so much for posting your rennovation and what you learned and money spent-we understand more of what we are getting into now.
So far, we have spent about 3 grand just having him put in a new axle and brakes and wiring and capping some propane lines, and patching the floor in one spot.

Thanks again,

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