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Old 11-23-2017, 05:24 PM   #1
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Lights 12v or 110/220v

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I'm just trying to figure out how my 1963 Tradewind systems work. I bought it in a sorry state with most systems shut, water, gas, electric.

Can anybody explain me why lights seem to have two separated systems? The right lamp assembly, the wires you can see disconnected, come from a different source than the left one. Is it that one is for use with the stationary 110/220v and the other for battery 12v?

One thing that would be useful was a electric diagram. Is that something one can get?

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Old 11-23-2017, 06:33 PM   #2
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You do seam to have both 12 volt DC and 120 volt AC wires there. The proof will be in the sockets in the fixture. There is a clear difference between the sockets of the 2 systems.

12 volt sockets are twist in automotive and 120 volt sockets are screw in household types.
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Old 11-24-2017, 03:15 AM   #3
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Actually both sockets are the same, I even found out that celing lamp light is a 12v that looks exactly like 120v. I guess I will have to try all lamps with power on to find out. A electrical scheme would be useful ...

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Daddylolo you are correct. HowieE is incorrect on your year of trailer and is assuming their knowledge based to be true on a newer. 1963 still had separate lights of both 110 and 12V with the larger home base socket (I think it is called a 26 or 27 socket). Even some fixtures had both sockets behind the same fixture cover. The reason why there are two separate systems is for shore power and boondocking usage, ...... because there was no converter originally on your year to convert 110 to 12V (12V lights are on newer trailers) thus the need for two separate systems to power lights based on power type usage.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:51 AM   #5
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This may show you the differences between E17 socket, those you show, and E26 sockets. Both sockets, the E 17 Candelabra and E27 Standard are for 120 volt bulbs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=26+l...nt=firefox-b-1

Did you disconnect the wires from the socket on the right? Looks like that socket may have been connected to the 120 Romex wiring at some point.
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Start with just 12 volt, so you don't burn out any bulbs. You can still get 12 volt bulbs with the standard household screw shell base. (Edison base) also look on the bulb itself it might say what it is.
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The trailer does in fact have both 12v and 120v lights, many in the same double fixture. They both take the same base, and you could put either in either base. I would probably start with a 120v bulb, and try the fixtures. You won't accidentally burn out a 120v bulb by screwing it into a 12v fixture, but you will very quickly burn out a 12v fixture by screwing it into a 120v socket.
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My 1964 Avion had the same setup.
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Daddylolo you are correct. HowieE is incorrect on your year of trailer and is assuming their knowledge based to be true on a newer. 1963 still had separate lights of both 110 and 12V with the larger home base socket (I think it is called a 26 or 27 socket). Even some fixtures had both sockets behind the same fixture cover. The reason why there are two separate systems is for shore power and boondocking usage, ...... because there was no converter originally on your year to convert 110 to 12V (12V lights are on newer trailers) thus the need for two separate systems to power lights based on power type usage.
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My Airstream has a 12v battery that opens to the outside, now i wonder if there is no converter how is the battery charged? I couldn't find any charger in the airstream. There should have been some wires connecting the battery to the 12v system, they are missing. That's why I am a bit desperate to get a electric diagram.

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Another issue I have is the heater that is located under the oven. It looks that it works with both 12v and 110v plus gas. I will definitively need the 12 v system to put it back to work.
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Daddylolo you are correct. HowieE is incorrect on your year of trailer and is assuming their knowledge based to be true on a newer. 1963 still had separate lights of both 110 and 12V with the larger home base socket (I think it is called a 26 or 27 socket). Even some fixtures had both sockets behind the same fixture cover. The reason why there are two separate systems is for shore power and boondocking usage, ...... because there was no converter originally on your year to convert 110 to 12V (12V lights are on newer trailers) thus the need for two separate systems to power lights based on power type usage.
Regards,
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My Airstream has a 12v battery that opens to the outside, now i wonder if there is no converter how is the battery charged? I couldn't find any charger in the airstream. There should have been some wires connecting the battery to the 12v system, they are missing. That's why I am a bit desperate to get a electric diagram.


http://www.airforums.com/forums/atta...1&d=1511729699

Another issue I have is the heater that is located under the oven. It looks that it works with both 12v and 110v plus gas. I will definitively need the 12 v system to put it back to work.
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I believe there is an inverter type system in your model that charges your battery while in transit and hooked up to your tow vehicle. If not, You can hook up a simple inverter to charge your battery when you are hooked up to 110.
Regarding the other question, your heater blower or ignitor system requires 12V while on LP. Go on line and check to see if there is a manual for the model of furnace that you have. I will look to see if I have any info regarding this. Maybe someone with your year trailer and model will chime in.
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I think there is or was a charger, not converter, in the oldies. Might be offtrack here, though.
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Regarding the furnace, it should work on 120vac, even without a battery charger.

The blower operates on 12vdc and there is a transformer that lets it run on 120vac.

However, if it's an International Oil Burner furnace I would replace it with a modern furnace.

Here is more info:http://www.airforums.com/forums/f427...5-a-70184.html
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