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Old 05-31-2017, 05:47 AM   #1
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Here we go again...'66 Tradewind

Yep, we have another restore project. This one is a '66 Tradewind International.

So, even though they're only a year apart there's a world a difference.

First the good news.
The floor is solid except for the bathroom.
Doesn't seem like it's ever had a bad leak because the PO actually didn't just let it sit outside and ignore it.
All the inner furnishings and appliances seem to be in good shape and usable.
The wood in this one is beautiful, reusable, and solid.
The fresh water tank looks perfect.
And, the frame from the front to almost the back is in great shape.
All the windows are in and work. Including the hardware.
Exterior lights all work and only a couple of the markers will need new lenses.
Interior lights are also good and work.

Bad news...
The bathroom. Oh well. We knew that would be the case.
The dents. Lots of dents.
Dent fixing is new to us. Our new challenge.
And it didn't leak because the PO used silicone to seal everything. Ugh.

We've already stripped the inside.
I'm taking it to a body shop this week to see if they can fix the dents or if we have to replace panels.
The belly pan will get dropped this week and we'll start from there and work our way up.
It pulled 500 miles on new Goodyear Endurance tires and I hardly knew it was back there. So axles and brakes will wait until it's ready to camp.

The Safari is perfect in my opinion. And I enjoyed the process (once I got Dave to help). So I'm looking forward to this project.
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Old 05-31-2017, 09:41 PM   #2
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Nice purchase! Are you planning on restoring her to its original glory?

I will be following along with your progress. We are currently working on restoring a 69 Tradewind...Click image for larger version

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Old 08-02-2017, 06:02 PM   #3
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Hello Mtmanor: I just saw your thread. I need to check the Knowledgebase more often. You are on a new adventure this this beauty.

It's a International to boot. Your description of the trailer "as found" sound great. Dents are a skill level I don't have. I did manage to straighten out some dents in my banana wraps in front, and I did use a suction cup on a dent in the front quarter panel. But end cap dents, well I don't know.

I have a 66 base model Trade Wind. It was not as good as the one you found, and I probably paid more. I worked on it about three winters, or about 1200 hours total. I work slow I guess. The trailer is now "travel ready" with all systems in working order. Most of the appliances were replaced. This Trade Wind and I are attached to each other. I know that tralier quite well as you can imagine.

Ugh, a belly pan. I'm tired of dropping and replacing belly pans. I've done three of them. But I guess I'm willing to do another should the need arise.

Keep us posted on your progress...

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Old 08-02-2017, 11:03 PM   #4
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Mtmanor

Glad that you are rescuing this 66Tradewind. Too bad the the previous owners were not more careful when they were backing up. Once You learn about panel replacement you will be able to help the rest of us.

Glad to hear that you like your Endurance tires. I just bought some for our Tradewind.

Looking forward to hearing more.

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Old 08-04-2017, 06:51 AM   #5
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Going backward before we can go forward

We are going to learn all kinds of things.
Can you call this progress?

Unfortunately the door frame was cracked. So off comes the door and half of the panel to the left of the door.

Out comes the floor.
Out goes the access doors, patches and wheel wells.

My shop is next door to a frame and axle shop so it's down here getting ready to have the frame sleeved and only one of the cross supports replaced. Bonus.

They also welded the aluminum door frame and added some support. We still need to grind it down a little but it is secure.

Since the door is off and is getting new skins I ordered a porthole! I know, I know, but I want a window.

Ooops, have to go
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:12 PM   #6
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Hi Mtmanor: I like the idea of a porthole in the door. It's a "land yacht" for goodness sakes. I don't like the "no left turn" sign in your interior. But hey, aluminum is aluminum no matter where you get it.

You are very good at demolition. I assume the shell is next to come off. I can only imagine the hours you will have in this old Trade Wind rebuilding it. I figure it takes 10 times more hours to rebuild than it does to take it apart.

I'm looking forward to watching you work like mad on this old Trade Wind.

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Old 08-06-2017, 09:25 AM   #7
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New axles

So, since the floor is now completely out I've gone ahead with ordering axles.

Last time Dave did the frame repairs at his house. The '67 frame was straight but rusted so pretty straight forward. It needed more of the outrigger pieces replaced and he completely redesigned the back for a new black/grey tank.

This time the frame had a small buckle. I took it to my neighbors, Nelson Frame and Axle, to have it straightened and strengthened. Since it's there and they need access back to the axles I'm skipping ahead and having the new axles installed now.

I had called and emailed Colin Hyde multiple times. He must be too busy as I've had one response in over 2 months. So, one call to Inland I had the quote. Another call I have them on order and in a week have my box of extra parts. Redneck trailer has a location here and I can pick up the axles from their shop with no extra shipping cost. Bonus as I wasn't planning on spending that money yet.

When we redid the '67 I had to special order marine plywood as no one sold it here. It was beautiful 14 ply baltic birch. Almost too pretty to cover. This time Menards carries a douglas fir version that's 9 ply. It's clean and should get the job done but it feels like cheating. Ha.

The plywood is here and ready to get coated while we wait for the frame to be done.

In order to get Patches home I left a border of the old floor in and bolted to the frame. I don't think that's enough for a 30 mile ride though. Thinking we'll have to add new floor back in from the axles forward before towing.

Any thoughts on this? Because the floor has to come right back out so we can take the body off to clean and paint the frame. (Nelson's is busy and doesn't have the room to let me work on it there.)
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:26 AM   #8
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Look how pretty that is! Goals!
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:27 AM   #9
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Are you starting a thread on yours?
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I didn't do a thread on either of our vintage Airstream trailers. I really didn't do anything that interesting. Just "fixing up" an old Airstream so it can be used again.

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Old 09-06-2017, 07:03 PM   #11
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Axle specs anywhere?

It's too long of a story. Why are axles so hard to get? And get correctly?

Tried calling and emailing Colin Hyde after seeing him talk at Alumapalooza. Colin's secretary answered once with a question about something already in the email. They then went offline completely.

So, two months later I called Inland. They were very polite and knowledgeable.

Except someone lost my order. Whether it was Dexter or them I'll never know.

Finally the axles get here on Tuesday. But, they are completely different than the ones for the '67 Safari.

Does anyone have specs on the axles for a '66 TradeWind? They came rated for 3,500 lbs each. The trailer will never weigh close to that.

The frame has to have the channel cut open an extra 1/4" - 1/3" to accommodate the new axle.
The holes don't match up so new holes need to be drilled or the existing extended. They say at inland to line up the rear holes but it seems it will push the tires too far forward.

Inland's response? "How many AS has my axle place worked on?", "Andy has been doing this for 51 years." Well EXCUSE me.

I don't know how long the shop has been there but they get quite the parade of vintage vehicles of all makes, types and sizes over there. Not to mention all the other vehicles. And they've been in business a long time.

Very frustrating to be at the mercy of two people who seem to hold the whole vintage AS group hostage.

Anyone have the specs? Please?
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I had a similar experience. As I learned too late, there are other options for axles. Go to #52 on my thread and read all about it.
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I had a similar experience. As I learned too late, there are other options for axles. Go to #52 on my thread and read all about it.
I did, and it reminded me I need to go back and reread your thread.

My axle guys are like your axle guy. Been there, done that. They aren't afraid to drill new holes. But, they are questioning the 7,000 lb rated axles for a 4,500 lb trailer.

Oh, and I shouldn't name names I guess. Eeek. No editing now since I can't even get my pics to stand up.
Thanks for the response.
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It's too long of a story. Why are axles so hard to get? And get correctly?



Tried calling and emailing Colin Hyde after seeing him talk at Alumapalooza. Colin's secretary answered once with a question about something already in the email. They then went offline completely.



So, two months later I called Inland. They were very polite and knowledgeable.



Except someone lost my order. Whether it was Dexter or them I'll never know.



Finally the axles get here on Tuesday. But, they are completely different than the ones for the '67 Safari.



Does anyone have specs on the axles for a '66 TradeWind? They came rated for 3,500 lbs each. The trailer will never weigh close to that.



The frame has to have the channel cut open an extra 1/4" - 1/3" to accommodate the new axle.

The holes don't match up so new holes need to be drilled or the existing extended. They say at inland to line up the rear holes but it seems it will push the tires too far forward.



Inland's response? "How many AS has my axle place worked on?", "Andy has been doing this for 51 years." Well EXCUSE me.



I don't know how long the shop has been there but they get quite the parade of vintage vehicles of all makes, types and sizes over there. Not to mention all the other vehicles. And they've been in business a long time.



Very frustrating to be at the mercy of two people who seem to hold the whole vintage AS group hostage.



Anyone have the specs? Please?


Mtmanor

I ordered my axles from Colin. Communication is a problem, but once you get to talk to him, you realize that he knows his stuff and the axles that you get will be correct, as close as you can get to plug and play, and probably the best price.

The standard Dexter axles are now 3,500 lbs. I ordered these derated to 2,500 lbs. I believe the original axles were 2,600 lbs.

Here are the dimensions I gave Colin:

B- Outside brackets 57.875"
D- Mounting bracket hole centers 10"
F- Top of bracket to centerline of axle tube 0.875"
A- Hubface to hubface 76.375"
E- Hubface to outside bracket 8.75"

The axles I ordered were about 75", as I recall, based on Colin's recommendation. He did tell me that I would also need to drill new holes. I have not installed them yet. If you pm me your email address I can send you all my correspondence with Colin. This includes figures that should provide you what you need.

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