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Old 06-20-2019, 08:07 PM   #477
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:19 AM   #478
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Know what you mean about that indecision. Think your choice was a good one. And if it doesn’t come out right, at least it wasn’t too expensive
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:52 AM   #479
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Well, here’s another one for you. After agonizing over size and location of my grey water tank, I finally settled on installing two 16 gallon tanks from VTS, mainly because thy are only 4” thick and thus would not extend below the belly pan (with some modification of the underside supports between the cross members). Then yesterday, as my plumber friend and I were under the trailer planning to implement that scheme, he noticed that the cross members all had nicely spaced 2 1/2” x 12” oblong holes in them. So he asked, why don’t you see if you can get a local shop to fabricate some 24 gauge stainless steel tube tanks to slide into those holes?” After some quick calculations of how many gallons tube tanks of varying lengths will hold, I thought, “Why not?” So come Monday a trip to Gieske’s down at 17th & Washington is on the agenda. I love the seeming simplicity of this solution. I did worry a bit about having water slosh back and forth on starting and stopping, but baffles would blunt that. Any other drawbacks anyone can see?
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I have never seen that done. Will be interesting to see. Sounds like a good idea. I had a space under the street-side twin bed next to the fresh water tank where I fit an above-grade 17 galonl tank just for the kitchen sink, and that has worked out pretty well.
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Old 06-22-2019, 07:28 PM   #481
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I believe those oblong holes in the cross members were there for the underfloor ducting Airstream ran back then. It was actually the cold air return lines to the furnace. I used them to reverse the flow and pump hot air from the new furnace in them and then let the furnace suck return air out of the trailer. Never tried it on a below freezing night, but I did get warm air to my tanks and the rear bath as well as the front seating area.

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Old 06-23-2019, 10:39 AM   #482
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That's a unique idea Slats. Would be curious to know how those in slot tanks would all connect to drain. Would have to be creative in figuring out a tank level monitoring system. Guessing you could add a lot of water storage though, what did your calculations say?
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Old 06-23-2019, 03:05 PM   #483
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The general calculation for gallons in a cube is (in inches) width x height x depth divided by 231. Because oval tubes are not cubes, it was a little more problematic. So I started with the height (2.5") and width (12") of the tube, and knocked an inch off the width to compensate for the difference between a rectangle and an oval (no math involved in that, just a wild guess). I then figured that I wanted 12 foot tanks, so the calculation went 2.5 x 11 x 144 = 3960 divided by 231 = 17.14 gal. No doubt someone who got better than the occasional C+ that I got in math could come up with a more precise number. The tanks could be connected and could also be longer, but I am leaning towards 30 or so gallons of grey water capacity, so two of them ought to do it. I plan on sticking to my plan of having a 15 gal. plastic above-floor black water tank in the street side rear corner. But, as my plans are often but one step above pipe dreams, that is subject to change as well.


Anyway, for grins, I'm attaching a pic of yesterday's ingenuous coupling of two 24" clamps that were hurriedly conjoined after I had already fit my sink cabinet frame together and realized my long clamp was back at the house.


The other two pics are of my new bathroom shower wall, showing how the light from the bedroom bleeds through nicely to impart a light and airy effect.
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Conjoined clamps are not all that unusual. I’ve found most of the clamps I have are usually an inch or two shorter than the project I’m trying to clamp up. Even my 4 foot long pipe clamps get this treatment. I think it’s part of the Murphy’s Law corollaries somewhere.
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Old 06-23-2019, 04:34 PM   #485
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I'm with you on that. Joyflea, however, would never find himself in such a predicament. See http://www.airforums.com/forums/f363...184236-16.html at post #219.
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Dale and Terry get a '66 Tradewind

Sadly, I don’t have Norm’s ‘New Yankee Workshop, router or clamp collection. I manage to make do with what I have—one garage bay that I store all the tools in, and setup in the driveway or park cars in the street. No more 1600 square foot basement shop like we had in Alabama.
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I like the way the light filters through your shower wall. Pretty. I do fear that if I turned on the bathroom light and stepped in the shower, would my silhouette be visible in the bedroom. Sleeping people in the bedroom would figure they are having nightmares.

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Dale and Terry get a '66 Tradewind

Dale, if I’m following your pipe based grey water idea correctly I believe you are proposing running several long pipes inside the four cutout ovals of the frame cross members.

Assuming your 2.5”x12” dimensions are from the inside of the ovals i believe you a could install four 2” ID (2.375” OD) schedule 40 PVC pipes in each of the slots. This would require capping both ends using two “waterway slip wye” connected together using standard PVC fittings. The slip wye minimize the space between each pipe compared to using four standard Ts which have broader shoulders. One end of each pipe would be for fill the other end would need to be vented.

One thing I’m not very sure of is how long of each pipe section would you be able to insert? If you could wrangle in 12’ long pipes you’d have about 8 gallons of storage per “bay” This was determined by taking 3.1415 * radius (1”)^2 * height (144”) * 4 pipes. I believe there are four bays so it’s possible to store 32 gallons using this system (assuming no frame obstructions were present in the frame). I do worry about the weight of all the PVC pipe, which will approximately be 140#s (this specific pipe weighs 0.68#/‘). Perhaps schedule 20 would be ok?

Personally, I’d go with the Vintage Trailer Supply tanks between the cross members.
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Personally, I’d go with the Vintage Trailer Supply tanks between the cross members.

Dale

I completely agree with Atomic_13. One of my favorite sayings also comes to mind as a reason to go with the more standard grey water storage solution “ New solutions have new problems.”

This is one of those 3 am nights for me. You are not alone.

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Old 06-24-2019, 08:04 PM   #490
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Hmmm, the two guys I most respect throwing cold water on my flight of fancy. Food for thought. Stay tuned.


So here's another one for comment. I can get a Truma tankless water heater with a $300 rebate if I send them a picture of the water heater I'm replacing and purchase the Truma by July 19. The rv dealer in Olathe that is the Truma source around these parts will install it for (drum roll) $300. So, what's not to like?
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