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Old 12-29-2018, 07:56 PM   #393
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Make that 1750 rpm.
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Old 12-30-2018, 07:59 PM   #394
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Shoot. I thought you had one of those Forumla 1 inspired diesel engines in your new truck. I was impressed, and now rather let down. Oh well.

You are booking some very good mileage numbers with the Trade Wind in tow. Mine got maybe 13 average. I get 10 into a strong headwind, or in hilly country. I get 17 towing downwind in flat country.

Diesel prices sometimes vary by state or locale based on taxes applied. California diesel is more expensive. European diesel is even more so. Nobody likes efficient diesel engines since VW diesel gate. But I still do, and I think they run clean, and they are certainly more efficient.

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Old 12-30-2018, 08:30 PM   #395
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Dale and Terry get a '66 Tradewind

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So glad to hear that you like your new truck. It sounds like this will be the perfect truck for you to tow your Tradewind with. I sure wish my Tundra was a bit smaller. I would love to have a TV the size of your new one.

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Old 02-02-2019, 07:27 PM   #396
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fiberglass surgery

After laying off for the month of January due to some bothersome hip pain, I made it back out to the trailer today and decided to go ahead and amputate the shower tub's appendage. A free-standing toilet will go in the freed-up space and to the right of that a sink, counter top and cabinet in the street side corner.

I regret not covering the shower tub over when I stored it in a corner of the building. It would have been easier to clean up absent the critter leavings. But I did manage to get it clean and lightly sanded in preparation for refinishing it.
After tacking it in place with clecos, I like the way it no longer intrudes over to the right, leaving a more roomy feel. I still have to figure out how to fabricate an aluminum (or plastic or wood) skirt around the tub. I kept the severed appendage as a source for patching pieces.
Here is an old shot of the shower tub when set in place before the insulation and walls were in, followed by the fruit of today's labor.
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Old 02-02-2019, 10:19 PM   #397
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Sorry about your hip pain. Glad that you are back working on your Airstream.
Very nice amputation of the appendage. You will figure out a good way to finish it off.

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Old 02-03-2019, 02:43 PM   #398
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looking good, are you using the freestanding to a black water tank? The shower/bath tub looks good. I can see where the change is happening from the original toilet was. I am guessing the original blackwater was on top of the subfloor? That is how the 76 Argosy is but with a free standing stool.

Hope to see you all in the spring if you plan to get together again like you did in the fall.
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:42 PM   #399
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I was thinking of a composting toilet, as I don’t particularly care for the slinky hassle. However, my life/travel companion prefers something closer to what’s in the house. So black tank it will likely be.
The original black tank was below the floor, as will be the one to come.
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I agree the "toilet console" or more accurately the "hidden toilet" concept in the mid sixties was kinda weird in my view. I think you are wise to save the original tub for use as a shower pan, or tub if you like. I think you can fabricate a "facia" for in front of the tub. My 75 Overlander now has laminated plywood there. Airstream originally had galvanized steel there which I didn't care for much.

Listen to your better half. Research those composting toilets thoroughly. I read the only composting involved is you burying the waste when you empty the thing. I read one guy uses "doggy bags" to clean out the compartment in the toilet. I make two votes for a flush toilet and a black tank. If you have a gray water tank, you can rinse the slinky with that water. This is only one lost soul's opinion.

I think I showed you my bath layout I did years ago. I did use a standard RV toilet over the black tank. I moved the toilet location for access to the new black tank.

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Old 02-03-2019, 10:18 PM   #401
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Dave - I noted your sink below the window set up. The main reason I’m thinking of putting mine in the corner is that I want it to be a bit higher that, closer to the height of the one in our home. It seems to me the lower counter height would be awkward. I’d be interested in hearing about your experience with it.
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Hi There,

I'll agree with David on bath sink height. Relocating it aside and raising it above the window sash height seems a self inflicted design constraint. With the '67/'68 bath, the sink vanity height is below the window. I'm 6' and have never thought it uncomfortably low.

Through the late sixties, Airstream marketing unwittingly promoted toward the convenience of the “All in One” service area access through the rear hatch. By 1968, The 120V breaker panel, Univolt, low point drains, battery, gate valve shared one space, and the shore line commingles with the slinky in the bumper hatch (yuk). Moving a hundred pounds to the rearmost area of the trailer was less than brilliance.

The battery and Univolt was better balanced near the wheelhouse in 1967. The shoreline was not stored with the slinky in the bumper, it was stored in the rear hatch. One of the barely detectable differences between the '67 and '68 bath plastic, is the '68 allows space for the battery by diminishing the bath floor area. The '67/'68 back wall conceals all the mechanicals from the bath area.

This leads to the question… How to reconfigure the 1966 bath when the commode surround is removed, and retain some separate service hatch area? The 1966 waste tank doesn't appear to be easy to drain, and has marginal capacity, so I wouldn't try to work it into a redesign. David's approach to replace & expand capacity is the modern-day choice.

Again in agreement with David about the composting toilets… Composting toilets (a misnomer) have good reason to exist, but doing extensive research reveals compromises that are unwelcome to some camping styles. Transporting human waste through the living space of the trailer is unappealing to me. Finding someplace to ecologically dispose a bucket of urine and bagful of fermented peatmoss/sawdust/?? I'll man-up and embrace the slinky. The RV waste systems in most all USA campgrounds, interstate rest areas, private residence, can accommodate the slinky or SS. I don't see the composting toilet as a “better mousetrap”.

Big project, eh?
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Old 02-04-2019, 07:37 PM   #403
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I guess that I am in the minority but I really like the 66 bathroom layout. Fortunately Brenda is ok with the cassette/porta potty toilet. After removal of the toilet, the entire area in the back hatch is accessible. This is where we have 2 BB lithium batteries, our converter, 12v panel, inverter and solar controller. We actually have room for two more BB batteries, but I don’t think that is happening.

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Aluminuminum knows this mid sixties like nobody's business. My old 66 had the Corning curved glass windows, but had the 65 style bath layout. The bath vanity countertop is certainly low to fit under the window. A guy gets used to bending over a bit more to splash water on the face while shaving.
Not a big deal.

The 66 Airstream manual talked about digging a "gopher hole" behind the trailer and dumping the black tank into it, then covering the whole mess up. I think this is called "digging a latrine" in the Army. Nonetheless, we just don't do that anymore. This design made attaching a sewer hose difficult under the rear bumper.

Actually if you want a composting toilet, just buy a plastic 5 gallon pail and put a toilet seat on it. Line it with a garbage bag and put kitty liter in it. Much cheaper and not a whole lot of difference that I can tell. A kitty litter box for humans. Scratch, scratch, scratch. I'll take a flush toilet any day of the week.

My old 66 ended up with the battery in the back and that's it, see photo. My 75 Overlander was built the same way with the "utilities" in the back under the vanity sink. I moved all that out of there too, including the battery. But the sink is still under the rear window and still a rather low counter height. See photo

You might also note the "fascia" boards I installed on the side of the tub and below the vanity. Maybe your modified Trade Wind bath tub could have a similar configuration.

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Old 02-05-2019, 06:50 PM   #405
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Big project, eh?

An understatement best appreciated by your fellow inmates in the aluminum asylum.


Seriously, though, I really appreciate all the sincere and helpful comments. I especially enjoy Touring Dan's if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it practical slant on this stuff.
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If it ain't broke don't fix it, cause it will eventually break and you will have that chance to fix it!

Echo the comments about the compost toilet. Had considered it due to constraints with rerouting a sewage line when moving our bathroom. Just couldn't quite embrace the idea of having a couple gallons of stagnant urine sitting around. Have you ever had to give a urine specimen to your doctor? I carry it like it is full of hazardous waste, couldn't imagine 100x that amount and walking through the campground.
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